Yesterday at the capital she had a special guest in a Yesterday at the capital she had a special guest in a film legend and her favourite actor Amitabh Bachchan who also motivated her to go for a medal in Tokyo. “I was so pleasantly surprised to see him at an event in Delhi. I asked him whether I can click photo with him, and his reply was click 10 photos, I will wait 30 minutes for you but win us a medal in the next Olympics,” she said. Asked whether she would think of marriage after Tokyo, Dipa said: “My career has just started. I will give my best to win medal in Tokyo. Its just the beginning and marriage can wait.” Citing the example of silver medallist PV Sindhu and Sakshi Malik, she said: “They won under Indian coaches so did I. I wouldnt have been here without my coach Nandi Sir (Bisheshwar Nandi). Our show has proved that Indian coaches are no different than foreign coaches. I would say an Indian coach would work harder to keep the tricolour higher.” Dipa, who had scored 14.850 in the qualifying round, executed the Produnova, which consists of a front handspring and two front somersaults, levelled as the death vault. It is so difficult and has the extreme difficulty score, that even its inventor, Elena Produnova, landed it standing up just once in her career and many stay away from performing it. “Every sport has a risk factor. Even in cricket if the ball hits the head anything can happen. Its how you master it. Ive trained so hard under my coach that I never feared it,” she added. PTI TAP SSC SSCadvertisement
Germany Mustafi faces long spell on sidelines with hamstring injury Guy Atkinson Last updated 2 years ago 06:34 10/9/17 FacebookTwitterRedditcopy Comments(3) Bongarts Germany WC Qualification Europe Germany v Azerbaijan Azerbaijan Arsenal Premier League Germany’s resounding win over Azerbaijan was marred by injuries to the Arsenal man and Niklas Sule Joachim Low revealed Shkodran Mustafi tore his thigh muscle in Germany’s 5-1 World Cup qualifying win over Azerbaijan on Sunday.The Arsenal defender pulled up clutching his hamstring in the build-up to Azerbaijan’s equaliser in the first half and was replaced by Matthias Ginter.Arsenal 6/1 to win Europa League Article continues below Editors’ Picks Why Barcelona god Messi will never be worshipped in the same way in Argentina Lyon treble & England heartbreak: The full story behind Lucy Bronze’s dramatic 2019 Liverpool v Man City is now the league’s biggest rivalry and the bitterness is growing Megan Rapinoe: Born & brilliant in the U.S.A. After the match, Low confirmed the 25-year-old had suffered a tear and could be set for a prolonged spell on the sidelines.”With Mustafi it seems that it is some muscle tear or some muscle fibre tear,” Low said. “In any case it could force him to a longer break.”Niklas Sule was also withdrawn in the first half with an injury, but the game will be remembered for another display of fluent attacking football that wrapped up Germany’s World Cup qualifying campaign with a 100 per cent record.A brace from Leon Goretzka, goals from Sandro Wagner and Emre Can and an own goal from Badavi Huseynov secured all three points and ensured that Germany are the only team in Europe to qualify having won all 10 of their group games.Schluss auf dem Betzenberg! 10 Spiele 10 Siege #WCQ #DieMannschaft #GERAZE @EuroQualifiers pic.twitter.com/gFZQZGpKNk — Die Mannschaft (@DFB_Team) October 8, 2017 Low, however, is refusing to get carried away and knows his side will face tougher tests as they bid to win a second consecutive World Cup in Russia next year.”One makes a mistake if one sets this qualification as a benchmark,” he added. “Sure, it was good, it was a clear achievement, but at the World Cup you come up against quite different calibres of sides. “There is still a lot to do. I want to achieve something very great in a few months. It will be hard to become world champions twice.”
Manchester City Guardiola dedicates Man City win to imprisoned Catalan independence leaders Goal Last updated 2 years ago 07:15 10/18/17 FacebookTwitterRedditcopy Comments(3) Getty/Goal Manchester City Guardiola Manchester City v Napoli Napoli Barcelona UEFA Champions League Having seen his side edge out Napoli in the Champions League, the patriotic coach paid homage to those fighting for freedom back in his homeland Pep Guardiola has dedicated Manchester City’s Champions League victory over Napoli to two imprisoned Catalan independence leaders.Jordi Cuixart and Jordi Sanchez are currently behind bars in Spain as the fight for freedom continues in Catalunya.A vote for independence on October 1 sparked controversial scenes, with the Spanish Constitutional Court having ruled the poll illegal. Article continues below Editors’ Picks Why Barcelona god Messi will never be worshipped in the same way in Argentina Lyon treble & England heartbreak: The full story behind Lucy Bronze’s dramatic 2019 Liverpool v Man City is now the league’s biggest rivalry and the bitterness is growing Megan Rapinoe: Born & brilliant in the U.S.A. Cuixart and Sanchez have been detained as figureheads of the separatist movement, with the pair being held without bail while they are investigated for sedition.A protest on Tuesday saw thousands take to the streets of Barcelona to express their opposition to the actions of the Spanish courts.Guardiola has now offered his support to that cause, telling reporters after a midweek fixture in Europe.”This win is dedicated to them [Cuixart and Sanchez].”We have shown in Catalonia that citizenship is bigger than any ideas. We hope they will be released soon.”Guardiola, as a Catalan native, has been a public supporter of the push for independence.He has previously taken in productive spells as a player and manager at Barcelona and is one of the more high-profile figures to have joined the debate.For now, though, he is based in England and overseeing the piecing together of what he hopes will be another hugely successful spell in the dugout.City’s win over Napoli has stretched the club’s unbeaten start to the season and taken them on to 10 successive victories in all competitions .They top the Premier League table and their Champions League group, with positive progress having also been made in the Carabao Cup.
Washington: FBI agents in the United States have discovered a cache of some 25 guns and 10,000 bullets after arresting a teenager who made online comments supporting mass shootings. In a complaint filed Monday, the FBI charged Boardman, Ohio resident Justin Olsen with threatening to assault a federal law enforcement officer after he posted on an online forum: “In conclusion, shoot every federal agent on sight”. The 18-year-old’s account on the iFunny website — a forum where users share memes — had approximately 4,400 subscribers. Also Read – Saudi Crown Prince ‘snubbed’ Pak PM, recalled jet from US He had previously made posts supporting mass shootings and targeting family planning and reproductive rights group Planned Parenthood, the complaint said. After searching his father’s house, agents found around 15 assault rifles and shotguns and 10 semi-automatic pistols inside the bedroom of Olsen’s father, along with the ammunition. Agents also found “camouflage clothing and camouflaged backpacks,” according to the complaint. Olsen admitted to making the online comments, the complaint said, but insisted they were “only a joke” and were made in regards to the controversial 1993 standoff in Waco, Texas. Also Read – Record number of 35 candidates in fray for SL Presidential polls The Branch Davidians religious sect held off federal authorities attempting to arrest their members on weapons charges, until the FBI eventually launched an assault and used tear gas. A fire engulfed the sect’s compound and 76 people died. Olsen’s arrest came a week after back-to-back massacres killed 31 people in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio, sparking calls for lawmakers to limit the availability of firearms and reduce the carnage from gun violence in the United States. President Donald Trump has said his fellow Republicans will set aside their longstanding resistance to restricting access to firearms by supporting background checks for people buying weapons, but his Democratic challengers in the 2020 presidential election have called for stronger measures. Days after the killings in Texas and Ohio, a 20-year-old man wearing body armor, fatigues and armed with an assault rifle was arrested at a Missouri Walmart store — the chain that was the site of the shooting in El Paso — and charged with making a terrorist threat.
Mark Wright, TV and radio presenter, shared his excitement on social media today at being picked for Robbie’s England, for the second consecutive time, in this year’s Soccer Aid for UNICEF match on ITV.Following an all-star, man of the match performance at Old Trafford in 2016, where he wowed the crowds with a wonder free-kick and match-winning goal for England, Mark has delightedly announced on his social media channels that he will be back wearing the home team strip, and this time will be taking on Usain Bolt’s Soccer Aid World XI at the Theatre of Dreams on Sunday 10th June.Today the British Government also announced it will match all the donations made by the public to Soccer for Unicef pound for pound. This means that for every £1 donated, the UK Government will also donate £1, doubling the difference for children in danger all around the world.International Development Secretary, Penny Mordaunt, said: “We are excited to be involved once again this year in what promises to be the biggest Soccer Aid for Unicef to date. The UK Government will match public donations pound-for-pound, meaning that, together, we can double the number of children around the world who will benefit from Soccer Aid.”Mark Wright, England said: “Topping my ‘Man of the Match’ performance and worldie free-kick in Soccer Aid 2016 is going to be hard, but I’m sure I can pull something out the bag. Getting another chance to play alongside football legends is a childhood dream come true, and knowing I’m going to be on the same pitch as Usain Bolt this year is absolutely mind-blowing. What also makes this whole experience bigger and better than ever is that from today your donations to help children in danger around the world will be matched pound for pound. Sunday 10th June at Old Trafford really is going to be a day to remember!”Over the coming weeks, the England vs. Soccer Aid World XI rivalry is set to intensify, with some of football’s biggest legends and celebrities set to join Mark Wright and fellow A-listers Usain Bolt, Sir Mo Farah, Robbie Williams, Olly Murs, Gordon Ramsay, Brendan Cole, Joe Wicks, Clarence Seedorf, and Robert Pirès, in what is setting up to be a game like no other.The international friendly match will take place at Old Trafford on Sunday 10th June, just four days before the FIFA World Cup in Russia begins. Tickets are on sale now and the game will be broadcast live on ITV. Kick-off scheduled for 20:00 BST.Soccer Aid for Unicef is the original England vs. Soccer Aid World XI charity match. It was launched and co-founded in 2006 by Unicef UK Ambassador Robbie Williams and Jonathan Wilkes, and has previously featured A-list stars such as Will Ferrell, Woody Harrelson, Mike Myers and Niall Horan, plus footballing royalty including Diego Maradona, Zinedine Zidane, Luis Figo and Ronaldinho. Soccer Aid for Unicef 2018 is set to be bigger and better than ever.Unicef, the world’s leading organisation for children, has joined forces with ITV to make the pro-celebrity football match bigger and better than ever, with more potential to raise money and vital support for children in danger. Soccer Aid for Unicef is produced by Initial, part of Endemol Shine UK, for ITV.100% of all public donations to Soccer Aid for Unicef will be doubled by the UK Government, up to a total of £5 million, and go towards supporting the vital work protecting children around the world. So far £24 million has already been raised through Soccer Aid over the last 12 years.Tickets for the Soccer Aid for Unicef football match on Sunday 10th June 2018 at Old Trafford are available now at www.manutd.com/socceraid or by calling 0161 444 2018 with tickets priced between £10 and £50.
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TORONTO — The Toronto stock market was slightly higher Wednesday as traders anticipate the announcement of stimulus measures to help the eurozone recovery and look to American employment numbers coming out at the end of the week.The S&P/TSX composite index was ahead 16.79 points to 14,751.48. The Canadian dollar was down 0.23 of a cent to 91.43 cents as the Bank of Canada announced it was keeping its key rate unchanged at one%. U.S. indexes were mixed amid a disappointing read on private sector job creation during May.The Dow Jones industrials were down 5.23 points to 16,717.11, the Nasdaq gained 10.37 points to 4,244.45 and the S&P 500 index was 1.67 points lower to 1,925.91.Payroll firm ADP reported Wednesday that the U.S. private sector created 179,000 jobs during May, the fewest number in four months.That reading came in two days before the release of the U.S. non-farm payrolls report for May. Economists have forecast that about 219,000 jobs were created during May following a much stronger expected 288,000 gain in April.The employment news was somewhat offset by other data showing the American non-manufacturing sector expanding at a faster than forecast clip. The Institute for Supply Management said its index rose to 56.3, the highest level since last August and above expectations for a read of 55.5.Canadian job figures for May also come out Friday and economists expect about 21,000 jobs were created after the economy shed 29,000 the previous month.Meanwhile, markets are counting on European Central Bank president Mario Draghi to announce measures Thursday aimed at giving a lift to the eurozone’s weak recovery and saving the region from falling into a deflationary spiral that would choke off growth.Worries about deflation increased Tuesday in the wake of data showing that inflation in the eurozone came in at 0.5% in May, down from 0.7% in April.“I would actually use the word ’scary’ because growth has been very fragile at best and now you have disinflation and if that turns to deflation, we know the experience on this from Japan and it is not a pretty story,” said Luciano Orengo, portfolio manager at Manulife Asset Management.The latest data also showed that gross domestic product in the eurozone grew by a paltry 0.2% in the first quarter.Analysts are looking at a variety of options for the ECB, including an interest rate cut.“I think the biggest wild card is whether it will do a form of quantitative easing,” added Orengo.The information technology sector was the biggest TSX advancer, up 0.85% as BlackBerry ran up 27 cents to $8.42.The gold sector was ahead 0.4%, while August bullion lost early momentum and faded 50 cents to US$1,244 an ounce.The base metals segment led decliners, down 0.45% while July copper fell four cents to US$3.10 a pound.The energy sector was flat while the July crude contract on the New York Mercantile Exchange gained 61 cents to US$103.27 a barrel.On the corporate front, Laurentian Bank of Canada (TSX:LB) shares edged up 56 cents to $48.14 as the bank posted a lower second-quarter profit of $31 million or 99 cents a share, compared with a profit of $33.8 million or $1.05 per share in the same quarter a year ago. But adjusted profit came in at $1.29 a share, five cents ahead of estimates. Laurentian also upped its quarterly dividend by a penny to 52 cents per share.
by Martin Crutsinger, The Associated Press Posted Jun 28, 2016 6:32 am MDT Last Updated Jun 28, 2016 at 12:19 pm MDT AddThis Sharing ButtonsShare to TwitterTwitterShare to FacebookFacebookShare to RedditRedditShare to 電子郵件Email In this Tuesday, March 22, 2016, photo, auto mechanic Joe Valenti changes a battery in a Honda Acura at his garage in Dormont, Pa. Valenti has been keeping his customer’s cars on the road since 1979. On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, the Commerce Department releases its third and final estimate of first-quarter gross domestic product. (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar) WASHINGTON – The U.S. economy grew slightly faster at the start of the year than previously estimated, even though consumer spending posted the smallest gain in two years.The gross domestic product expanded at an annual rate of 1.1 per cent in the first quarter, an improvement from the 0.8 per cent rate released last month, the Commerce Department reported Tuesday.While growth prospects for the spring look even better, the shockwaves from Britain’s decision to leave the European Union could spread to the U.S. economy in the coming months. Economists forecast growth of around 2.5 per cent in the current quarter.The latest revision reflected stronger export sales and less drag from business investment. The boost in export sales helped to turn trade from a drag on growth into a small positive to growth of 0.1 percentage point.Offsetting those gains, consumer spending growth was revised down to 1.5 per cent. That was the weakest showing since the first quarter of 2014. The result primarily reflected a slowdown in services such as health care.“Because this revision was largely due to new March data, this suggests that the pace of growth increased slightly at the end of the quarter,” economists at Contingent Macro Research said in a note to clients.The first quarter represented the second quarter in a row of slower growth, the result of a number of factors including a harsh winter that sapped consumer spending. It followed the pattern of the past few years in which growth nearly stalled out in the first quarter only to show a solid rebound in the second quarter.Economists are looking for a similar outcome this year with analysts predicting growth in the current quarter will be more than double the first quarter pace.Analysts had been expecting further acceleration in the second half of this year, with some economists predicting growth could rise close to 3 per cent. However, after the vote in Britain, many analysts have trimmed their forecasts for the second half to between 2 per cent to 2.5 per cent growth due to turbulence in financial markets that could depress consumer and business confidence. They also believe U.S. growth will be hurt by a further rise in the value of the dollar, which will hurt exports.The Dow Jones industrial average fell 611 points on Friday, the first trading day after the British vote, the biggest loss since last August. The Dow fell another 260.51 points on Monday.The impact from the British vote is expected to keep the Federal Reserve on hold. The Fed raised its key policy rate by a quarter-point in December and had expected to raise rates another four times this year. But after markets went into a tailspin at the beginning of the year, the Fed moved to the sidelines.Various Fed officials a month ago had signalled they could be ready to raise rates again in June but then a dismal May jobs report put the Fed back on hold. While some economists had forecast a possible July rate hike, the British vote has many analysts believing the Fed could leave rates unchanged for the entire year or at most will hike only one time, probably in December. US economy grew at slightly faster 1.1 per cent in Q1
00:00 00:00 spaceplay / pause qunload | stop ffullscreenshift + ←→slower / faster ↑↓volume mmute ←→seek . seek to previous 12… 6 seek to 10%, 20% … 60% XColor SettingsAaAaAaAaTextBackgroundOpacity SettingsTextOpaqueSemi-TransparentBackgroundSemi-TransparentOpaqueTransparentFont SettingsSize||TypeSerif MonospaceSerifSans Serif MonospaceSans SerifCasualCursiveSmallCapsResetSave SettingsSAN DIEGO (KUSI) – Our clocks aren’t the only things that need to be checked once daylight savings time ends.The American Red Cross wants to remind you to turn and test- turn your clocks back an hour, and test your smoke alarms.Sean Mahoney, CEO of the American Red Cross, joined us Sunday morning with more. Categories: Good Morning San Diego, Local San Diego News FacebookTwitter KUSI Newsroom KUSI Newsroom, November 4, 2018 Turn your clocks back, test your home smoke alarms Posted: November 4, 2018
KazakhstanAt least nine people were killed after part of an apartment building collapsed in central Kazakhstan, the country’s authorities said Monday.“Nine dead people were pulled from the rubble” of the building in the village of Shakhan following the collapse late Sunday, the emergencies committee of the interior ministry in the central Asian nation said in a statement.It said the victims include three men, three women and three children. A 32-year-old man had been pulled alive from the rubble.The ministry said it had dispatched 70 emergency workers to take part in the rescue operation.The remaining residents of the building have been evacuated.A government committee has been set up to probe the incident, the ministry said.Building collapses are not uncommon throughout the former Soviet Union, either due to faulty construction or worn-out infrastructure.
The Holy Ramadan, the lunar month of self-purification through fasting and abstinence, begins in the country on Tuesday as the new crescent moon was sighted in Bangladesh sky on Monday, reports UNB.Lailatul Qadr, the night of divine blessing and benediction, will be observed on the night of 1 June.The National Moon Sighting Committee took the decision at a meeting held at Islamic Foundation’s Baitul Mukarram office with state minister for religious affairs Sheikh Md Abdullah in the chair.Muslims are meant to fast from dawn to dusk during the lunar month, a time of restraint and austerity.During the holy month, all government, semi-government, autonomous and semi-autonomous institutions will follow new office timing as announced by the government.All these offices will remain open from 9:00am to 3:30pm with a 15-minute Zohr prayer break from 1:15pm to 1:30 pm during the month.
March 4, 2019 at 1:17 pm Share This! March 1, 2019 at 4:18 pm JD says: Ben in Oakland says: It’s war now, Kiumbi. All the fake talk about “unity” is gone. Everybody getting honest now.Look for two big battles coming up by late April: (1) There’s gonna be a LOT of pro-gay pressure to force the Judicial Council (the Methodist supreme court, which is **already** badly pro-gay), to stop the Methodists from enforcing their own playbook, the Book of Discipline, now that the Bible-believers have won the Big Vote. Watch for the Court to cave in and pamper the pro-gay side.(2) The biggest leader of the pro-gay faction, who has the largest Methodist megachurch in America, (Adam Hamilton) has decided to use BLACKMAIL instead of PRAYER on this issue. He told the KC Star recently that he intends to launch a campaign for the Pro-Gay churches to stop donating money to any Methodist “mission organizations” that don’t publicly kowtow to the Pro-Gay-Marriage and Practicing-Gay-Clergy forces. Most of the mission groups don’t have much money, and this suggested boycott could possibly kill them. BLACKMAIL!! OttoZeit says: JD says: irondrake says: Michelle K says: Friendly Goat’s a guise for unfriendly gloats. By: Emily McFarlan Miller emmillerwrites Ben in Oakland says: Mark Connelly says: DIY Faith • News Mark Connelly says: You could see that coming a mile away. Share This! You don’t know do you? Emily McFarlan Miller Emily McFarlan Miller is a national reporter for RNS based in Chicago. She covers evangelical and mainline Protestant Christianity.,519 Comments Click here to post a comment Get bent, troll. I will pray for you. Seven Seven says: February 28, 2019 at 8:45 pm If only all Christians would remain celibate ;-)… So homophobia is a higher calling. Thanks for tip. Shawnie5 says: Well, this is the same individual who claims “democrats and members of ISIS share the same character content.” Just gushes Jesus 🙄 Art says: irondrake says: OttoZeit says: “Okay, let’s get down to the core truth of the matter. Regardless of whether or not a person has a genetic predisposition to being Gay, etc., the New Testament forbids same sex relationships, and also includes the criteria of worthiness to be an ordained minister.”Stop right there.Lets look at what you said: “Regardless of whether or not a person has a genetic predisposition to being Gay, etc”You are saying god doesn’t like gays because they are born gay. And since gays cannot be anything but gay that means they will never have a family, never be fully accepted, be banned from anything intimate in the church including being a minister. It also means they they are damn to a life of being utterly alone. They will never have a family, never fall in love, and will die alone. ALSO, if they continue to be gay , and they do fall in love, etc, that they are only worthy of going to hell.All because they are born gay and your god cant stand them being born gay.What a disgusting religion you have. get help dude March 4, 2019 at 7:29 pm March 1, 2019 at 3:31 pm February 28, 2019 at 8:31 pm just what I thought. You cannot make such a statement, because even you have a precious little bit of integrity.But thank you so very much for confirming what everyone here has always known. you post under multiple identities. I’m pretty sure it’s a violation of the terms of service for both Disqus and RNS.You seem to be a very frightened, insecure man. March 1, 2019 at 12:25 pm February 28, 2019 at 8:37 pm Art says: Ben,Honored that you took that much time to be thorough in your opinions and feelings (and facts)Thanks.When it comes to the law–correct –there are gradients of sin along with said punishments. ButNew Testament Grace remarks : “For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.” James 2:10 This is not a societal construct but a spiritual principal about the universal sinfulness of mankind. Guilt is guilt to God but society must grade and distinguish.I understand your hope to teach and inform the Christian /Religious communities about matters that concern you. And again, I agree with much of what you say–and I appreciate the candor melded with kindness. (something missing with the ardent, if not militant, hope-to-be-representative of Christ and Christianity)I may have as many people who want to argue, hate and condemn me. For example, I do not believe that this is, was or ever shall be a “Christian” nation. Fundamentalists and Leftists are both insecure extremists who MUST have everyone believe like them or else. My experience is that there is no conversation to be had with them.I have many in these camps who insist that I am “Phobic” when I simply disagree with either their opinion or their belief. Then why are so many interested in befriending this Jesus character or calling Him a “good” or “loving” man?Jesus was indeed a man who was “BUSY TELLING EVERYONE ELSE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIVES AND TRYING TO USE THE LAW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO”. He was quick to condemn and quickly opinionated. His prognostication for any and all who rejected Him was and is not good. I believe that you should indeed have a problem with this Jesus figure (not just the misguided followers) and what He has done to disturb this world–so many people. Jesus was and is a ONE WAY-MY WAY guy. Further, He claims exclusivity concerning who goes to heaven. He tells each person who would follow Him to “deny themselves, take up their own cross and to follow Him”. By all standards of today, the Jesus of the bible was bigoted, mean spirited, exclusionary, anti-religious and unloving. You seem to dismiss this Jesus as the source and reason for so much of your legitimate qualms with many who claim to follow him. You paint Him ups as a one dimensional lover-boy whose brand of love somehow justifies all else we know about him that is not good. Although the post was directed TO you, I did not expect it to be read BY you.You’re long past hearing anything incompatible with LGBT uber alles. Apparently you need to feel persecuted to feel superior. March 2, 2019 at 11:42 am March 1, 2019 at 4:38 pm Ted Mccartin says: Art says: No. That’s in the scripture of the HolySpirits Bible that you don’t believe.Ive always been a non-denominational Christian. March 1, 2019 at 5:09 pm 😀 Don’t hate anyone. Sadly those of the lgbtip crowd hate the truth. Mark Connelly says: Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn ReddIt Email Glenn Harrell says: But why be ‘in this till the end’? This was the end. Your church has made it perfectly clear that they despise you, so why stick around? Their message is one of hate and exclusion; they have nothing to offer. Leave them behind and move forward to a brighter future without their sick and bigoted dogma. March 2, 2019 at 5:51 pm February 28, 2019 at 8:51 pm February 28, 2019 at 8:43 pm Ben in Oakland says: February 28, 2019 at 9:03 pm March 4, 2019 at 12:11 am March 3, 2019 at 11:49 am February 28, 2019 at 9:03 pm They are following God’s Word in their position on LGBT ordination and marriage, which is the topic at hand.On women’s ordination, no.I have never heard of them approving polygamy – multiple wives – as some Mormons do.Divorce is permitted in the Bible under a narrow window. Been a long haul. Hospice with my dad. Died a week before his 90th birthday. Was hard to watch him fail, and I just didn’t have anything left for idiots, you know? February 28, 2019 at 9:04 pm So you are the new sockpuppet for Mark Connelly/Bob Armzen/Jose Carioca. Seven Seven says: March 3, 2019 at 12:52 am I think i told you this morning that I don’t write for the pervert genocidal baby killing enemies. Nothing good can come from discussions with monstrous enemies who are devoted to lies. What I buy is solid scholarship by people who did not get their degrees from some holy hypocrite degree mill. So, you’re a Calvinist, huh? March 3, 2019 at 1:08 am March 1, 2019 at 1:08 pm March 1, 2019 at 9:01 am So they will stay, and continue trying to undermine their denomination from within.That is ever the “progressives” play book.But if at some future conference they happen to come out on top, you can bet it will be “The matter is closed” and “Time to move on.” Read C.S. Lewis’s “The Great Divorce”. It is a great and wonderful description of your dilemma. March 3, 2019 at 2:27 pm Rick Brant says: There are two problems with his message:1 – God is never the source of sin or temptation. Our defects, including aging and death, are a result of living in a world damaged by sin itself and prowled by the Master of deceit;2 – There are a host of inclinations – I usually cite kleptomania – which acting upon are unacceptable morally. When Ben is asked if he has objections to the dropping of legal and moral prohibitions on acting on those inclinations, silence. This indicates he is making a special pleading fallacy – citing something as an exception to a generally accepted rule without justifying the exception. I’ve never read the scripture where GOD, states that He does.Have you? Ben in Oakland says: Rick Brant says: February 28, 2019 at 10:16 pm Exactly. Sadly, all to frequently online 🙁 Wrong. Plenty of Christians follow it, women as well as men. March 1, 2019 at 4:55 pm February 28, 2019 at 9:46 pm March 1, 2019 at 6:13 pm March 1, 2019 at 4:30 pm You guys and gals can’t defend your positions and can’t stand to be contradicted.The rest is your usual self-serving eyewash. March 5, 2019 at 10:21 am March 5, 2019 at 1:16 pm You may want to consider coordinating with patrick, Elgalabus, Ben in Oakland, and one or two others as to who is who.Or are you folks all showering together with the same hands? March 2, 2019 at 5:46 pm March 1, 2019 at 8:13 am HOW ABOUT THAT: RNS’ Tobin Grant was right 3 years ago! The Un-Schismatic Split at UMC is meant to be permanent & forever! But I’m keeping score, and it’s now HAPPILY standing at:UMC Traditionalists 1 : 0 UMC ElitistsGO TRADS GO !!!!!!“Acceptance of homosexuality in society does not mean that [UMC] members believe that it should be accepted in the church. … In the UMC, the membership is split with 49 percent favoring same-sex marriage and 43 percent opposing it. … The Pew Religious Landscape Study poll[ing] more than 35,000 Americans in 2014 … did not ask about the ordination of LGBT clergy [because it would] assume that the membership would be evenly divided or lean against ordination. [If anything] the poll shows that the division at the general meeting reflects a division within the church membership. Unlike other mainline denominations, Methodists are not solidly in favor of accepting homosexuality and they are split over same-sex marriage.”Source: Tobin Grant, “How do Methodists view homosexuality and same-sex marriage? Some poll results”, Religion News Service, May 18, 2016. No March 1, 2019 at 7:45 am Your own secular “bigotry … so often hides behind [LGBT/Atheism-driven, anti]religious belief.” Art says: Shawnie5 says: March 2, 2019 at 3:58 pm Art says: Amusing … a sockpuppet accusing others of being sockpuppets. Colossians 2:8English Standard Version (ESV)8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. Art says: March 2, 2019 at 10:32 pm March 1, 2019 at 4:09 pm March 1, 2019 at 6:59 pm You might be busy, and this is not the right time for you to be writing. That would explain your silence; however, if you never respond to me, I will believe you died, or someone you love is very sick or died, or you experianced a serious illness or injury, or you are a deceiver, a wolf in sheep’s clothing that is at war against Truth, the saints, and everything that is wholesome. We (real Christians) know there are the obvious enemies, and the more subtle and devious wolves in sheeps’ clothing.Jesus says, “test the spirits.” When I asked you direct questions regarding basic truth, I was testing the spirit in you. Either the truth is in you, or the truth is not in you.It’s true your silence can indicate a sudden small or horrible challange in your life. Barring those hindrances, the most likely thing that would prevent you from writing the truth is the real truth is not in you. March 1, 2019 at 6:41 pm March 4, 2019 at 8:47 pm You do realize that homophobia is now considered a form of mental illness, yes? March 1, 2019 at 1:01 pm Get professional help.Soon. Jesus says, “I come not to unite and divide.” Jesus also says, “The darkness hates the light.”The simple truth is they want to destroy the true gospel, and have embraced a devilish gospel. The truth is they claim evil is good and also claim good is evil. March 2, 2019 at 5:44 pm Seven Seven says: OttoZeit says: TS (unami) says: But he says he is not! Surely that must count for something! March 4, 2019 at 11:48 pm March 1, 2019 at 1:58 pm March 5, 2019 at 3:09 pm “My interest in these in house dysfunctions lies primarily in one area, though the dominionist tendencies of conservative religion are also a great concern: the status of gay people in the world, and how deeply that is affected by the bigotry which so often hides behind religious belief.”They cramp your style, nothing more profound. March 2, 2019 at 5:45 pm Spuddie says: Mark Connelly says: Vladonald Trumputin says: Secular society can have one standard and Churches a higher standard. March 1, 2019 at 8:15 am Jim Johnson says: LOL. If you fell for that you certainly know squat about Roman history! Spuddie says: March 5, 2019 at 8:44 pm March 3, 2019 at 12:13 am No one who is moral and reasonable would even consider taking your advice. We have nothing in common but geography, and even the MS13 and ISIS members that are here have geography in common with us. Don’t go thinking we speak the same language. We may use the same words, but even basic words like truth; decency; justice; liberty; and security have generally opposite meanings for us. Who doesn’t follow it? I did. I know a lot of people who have. Elagabalus says: Don’t forget the Bonobos. They were created by god to enjoy boy/boy and girl/girl fun. JP says: March 2, 2019 at 5:17 pm March 1, 2019 at 4:26 pm Vladonald Trumputin says: If we love someone we wish him well, not wish him in Hell. Socialist? That must be it.When they take The same biblical response to divorce, remarriage after divorce, and female minister’s you might be able to make a case. But they won’t and you won’t March 1, 2019 at 2:11 pm March 2, 2019 at 1:20 am March 1, 2019 at 5:05 pm Seven Seven says: HpO says: Is he answering you?Again, put the doobie down. Both Ron M.and TS(clown) are ‘advocates ‘ “ AGAINST “GOD/JESUS and His scripture. D.M.S. says: Bill Paca says: You will be destroyed by God/Jesus and sent to hell for eternity if don’t repent of your sinful lifestyle of homosexuality and or promoting the sin of its existence. Nope. He’s been around a bit. Sockpuppet. March 2, 2019 at 9:48 pm I imagine Jesus acknowledged the one “window,” so to speak, for which His own legal father (“a just man”) contemplated a divorce. OttoZeit says: TS (unami) says: I think the idea is “truth in love”. It is possible to be correct in detail but wrong in attitude.“Be humble when you correct people who oppose you. Maybe God will lead them to turn to him and learn the truth. They have been trapped by the devil, and he makes them obey him, but God may help them escape.” (II Timothy 2:25-26)I believe the end in all admonition is:1-For the non-Christian to be unhindered in coming to Christ (not to self-correct their own behavior)2-For the Christian to grow and mature in Christ-likeness. (Ephesians 4) Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn ReddIt Email,Attendees sing during a service hosted by the Love Your Neighbor Coalition at the Holiday Inn in St. Louis on Feb. 27, 2019, the morning after the special session of the UMC General Conference closed. RNS photo by Emily McFarlan MillerST. LOUIS (RNS) — “We’re in this to the end,” sang LGBTQ United Methodists and their allies.They prayed. They hugged. They pulled out more chairs as people packed a worship service hosted by the LGBTQ-affirming Love Your Neighbor Coalition on Wednesday morning (Feb. 27) in a meeting room at the Holiday Inn, a day after a three-year-long push to make their church more inclusive had been blocked.Many at the worship service committed to staying in a denomination that voted Tuesday (Feb. 26) to reiterate language in the Book of Discipline, its rulebook, saying LGBTQ people could not marry or be ordained in its churches.RELATED: United Methodists pass Traditional Plan, keep ban on LGBTQ clergy, same-sex marriage“Our work is to live like that Book of Discipline no longer exists and to be the church,” said the Rev. David Meredith, an Ohio pastor who has faced denominational discipline hearings since he married his longtime partner in 2016.Bishop Cynthia Fierro Harvey announces the results of the Traditional Plan vote late on Feb. 26, 2019. RNS photo by Kit Doyle“Let us not step back from challenging, resisting, everything — ignoring the book so that we can simply be beloved children of God and the beloved people of God,” Meredith said.The 864 delegates to the United Methodist Church General Conference, the global denomination’s decision-making body, passed the Traditional Plan, the most conservative of three plans proposed, with 53 percent of the vote.The plan strengthens the enforcement of language regarding LGBTQ United Methodists written into the rulebook in 1972 that states that “the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching” and that “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” cannot be ordained as ministers, appointed to serve or be married in the church.The special session of the General Conference, it was hoped, would allow the church to move forward together despite deep, decades-long divides over the inclusion of its LGBTQ members. The three plans were presented by a specially appointed Commission on a Way Forward that delegates had approved when their regular 2016 meeting came to a stalemate over the debate.The options also included the One Church Plan, recommended by the denomination’s Council of Bishops, that would have allowed individual churches and regional conferences to decide whether to ordain and marry LGBTQ people.Bishop Sally Dyck addresses constituents during a break of the special session of the UMC General Conference on Feb. 26, 2019, in St. Louis. RNS photo by Kit DoyleBut LGBTQ United Methodists and their supporters still see reason for hope.In April, the Traditional Plan goes to the denomination’s top court, the Judicial Council, which already has found parts of it to be unconstitutional. Not all of those parts were able to be amended by delegates before they approved the plan.The Rev. Jeff Greenway — chair of the conservative Wesleyan Covenant Association, which advocated for the Traditional Plan — told the United Methodist News Service he worries the plan as approved by the General Conference has “no teeth” and “little likelihood of accountability.”RELATED: Grieving, but not leaving, the United Methodist Church (COMMENTARY)And the Rev. Mark Holland — a delegate and executive director of Mainstream UMC — which advocated for the One Church Plan, called the Traditional Plan’s passage merely a “symbolic victory” in a post on the Mainstream UMC website.The plan that was passed was “gutted” and “had nothing in it,” Holland wrote in his post. An exit plan that was passed also was “fatally flawed,” he said.“In reality we passed no legislation at General Conference. … We are essentially at status quo,” he said.After $3.7 million to put this week’s meeting together and a wrenching three days of deliberations, in other words, the United Methodist Church has only marginally more clarity on its future than when the meeting began.But the vote still hurt many who support a full welcome of LGBTQ members.Two people hug each other in worship during a service hosted by the Love Your Neighbor Coalition at the Holiday Inn in St. Louis on Feb. 27, 2019. RNS photo by Emily McFarlan MillerJen Ihlo, a delegate from the Baltimore-Washington Conference, said it is hard for her to believe the Judicial Council “will do the right thing,” she said. “But we’ll see.”Numb and exhausted after the General Conference, Ihlo said she came to the Love Your Neighbor Coalition’s worship service Wednesday because she needed to be with her community. She needs to rest and recover from the exhaustion before she can decide what to do next, she said.“I was baptized and confirmed in the United Methodist Church, but that church doesn’t seem to exist anymore. It’s judgmental. It’s divisive, it’s harmful. And that’s not what Jesus preached,” she said.“That was why I needed to be here. And that’s what I was hoping for and fighting for as a delegate.”Delegates attend the first day of deliberations at the special session of the United Methodist Church General Conference in St. Louis on Feb. 24, 2019. RNS photo by Kit DoyleThe Wesleyan Covenant Association Council also met Wednesday and Thursday to analyze the decisions made by the General Conference and determine its next steps.Before the vote, the Rev. Keith Boyette, president of the WCA, had said he would recommend the association leave the United Methodist Church and form its own denomination if LGBTQ members were permitted to become clergy and marry.On Wednesday, Boyette said, such a split was “unlikely.” But a split is not always a bad thing, he said, pointing to examples in the Bible when people parted ways. He had submitted legislation calling for the dissolution of the denomination, he added, though it ultimately was not included in the legislation considered by the special session.But few delegates and observers opposing the Traditional Plan in St. Louis expressed a determination to leave. Many had spoken throughout the week about the church as their home or as their family.“Centrist and progressives never wanted a divorce. We never were looking for a gracious exit. We were looking for a little more space,” said the Rev. Adam Hamilton, a prominent pastor and delegate from the Great Plains Conference who had advocated the One Church Plan.On Tuesday, Hamilton said from the floor that those who had voted for the Traditional Plan had not just alienated progressive United Methodists, but also those in the middle. They’d also inspired a number of people who hadn’t been engaged in the debate, but now were hurt, angry — and energized.Afterward, he tweeted that his Kansas church was looking into holding a meeting with bishops and other key leaders to discuss “where Methodism goes from here.”Pastors lead prayer during a service hosted by the Love Your Neighbor Coalition at the Holiday Inn in St. Louis on Feb. 27, 2019. The LGBTQ-affirming group hosted the service the morning after the special session of the UMC General Conference closed. RNS photo by Emily McFarlan MillerBut many of the speakers Wednesday said they knew where they were going.“I ain’t going nowhere,” said Adama Hathaway-Brown, a certified candidate for ministry in the New England Conference, who identified as a “same-gender-loving woman.”“There are just too many people to serve and I’ve come way too far to leave them now.”In her conference, she said, there are people to feed at the soup kitchen; veterans and senior citizens to reach; and a number of people wanting to worship in a community that welcomes and affirms LGBTQ people. They were there before the General Conference, she said, and they are still there after the meeting.There also is a generation coming up that needs to see them be the light in a dark world, added Dan Levine, a ministry candidate in the New York Conference, who identified as transgender. Levine came out after seeing the example of so many at the 2016 General Conference, he said, and he wants to do the same for others.And that’s not unique to the church in the U.S., said the Rev. Kennedy Thomas Mwita of the Kenya-Ethiopia Annual Conference. While African United Methodists have been characterized as unanimously supportive of the Traditional Plan, he told the group he supported them as an ally.“You have brothers and sisters in Africa who need this kind of hope,” Mwita said.J.J. Warren, a delegate from the Upper New York Conference, addresses the UMC General Conference on Feb. 26, 2019, in St. Louis. RNS photo by Kit DoyleJ.J. Warren, a delegate from the Upper New York Conference, said he wasn’t sure just the day before if the church was going to be his home.Earlier in the week, Warren’s speech on the conference floor about his experience as a gay student reaching out to others at his college with a message of God’s love had drawn cheers and applause from observers and tons of shares on social media. With it came messages asking how he felt after the Traditional Plan vote and what he was going to do.But joining a room full of LGBTQ-affirming and welcoming United Methodists gathered together as a church showed him he was home, he said. It showed him what the church was.“We are the church,” Warren said. “The General Conference is not the church.” Glenn Harrell says: The take-away is1-Methodist Bishops got what they promoted —-a true picture of their collective beliefs on the matter.Theological mush and indecisiveness that was called “ONE”.A further divided church–fragmented along the lines of cultural conformity over biblical orthodoxy. Top down leadership reflected in the community. Orthopraxy revealing Orthodoxy.2-“Traditionalists” are mostly in Africa. The continuing saga of Leftism and progressive liberalism in the USA is where most of the USA Methodist vote resides. Good news for those who will follow the LGBTQ campaign with limitless zeal. Wait it out one more round. 3-In spite of science and to its denial, GAY or HOMOSEXUAL continues to be defined as a new sub-species of human.This remains the most potent weapon against reality. If acting homosexually can be an “I can’t help myself” activity that is the result of genetic predisposition, then hope remains for the LGBTQ communities–both inside and outside Christianity. 4-Promoting the names—GAY Homosexual, Thief, Adulterer, Gossip, Swindler, Covetous, Glutton, etc. as NOUNS belies the haunting truth that all are ADVERBS describing deliberate behaviors/activities by those who choose them. Otherwise, we must discover the genes responsible–create a pill for recovery and or organize parades for them all. Our Methodist pulpits can then ordain and marry the whole lot.5-Watching the world promote and celebrate lifestyles of debauchery and destruction is normal. “Such were some of you.”We celebrate Grace because this is what God does to and for us–we become new creatures at His command.He love you and me first–not when we finally cleaned up our act. “You have to catch the fish before you can clean it”. BUT. Watching those who profess to be a follower of this Christ who yet believe like the world and yet look for support from the community of the redeemed (though nothing new) —This is where we have impasse. (I Peter 4 is a tell all) OttoZeit says: JD says: March 1, 2019 at 3:06 pm March 1, 2019 at 11:22 am TS (unami) says: Do note that Art is Mark who is Bob. Vladonald Trumputin says: Ahh, you make a good point. I was thinking solely in terms of doctrine rather than practical economics. Rick Brant says: March 1, 2019 at 6:56 am You do realize, don’t you, that Bob Arnzen / Mark Connelly / Bill Paca, also has “Art” now going as well, don’t you? Our Bob is a very busy bee on the computer these days hopping around from one identity to another. TS (unami) says: Glenn Harrell says: That’s twice in a row you have opened a reply to me with “Wrong.”Do you get away with that sort of behavior everywhere in life? FriendlyGoat says: Seven Seven says: March 1, 2019 at 9:40 am March 3, 2019 at 10:07 am March 5, 2019 at 4:44 pm Share This! March 3, 2019 at 7:21 pm Ted Mccartin says: Yes, it certainly includes YOUR fantasy of Christianity — which I’ll reject too, by the way. I think he means the ancients did not understand orientation. Of course he’s wrong there too — even in the 1st century the ancients thought same-sex attraction was innate, although they mistakenly attributed it to astrological causes. March 2, 2019 at 7:45 am March 1, 2019 at 3:10 pm March 2, 2019 at 5:25 pm floydlee says: March 1, 2019 at 10:10 am “With 35,000 plus posts” With probably 25,000 plus of them saying the same thing. March 1, 2019 at 9:23 am So atheist Spuddie is finally turning to Prayer? Yay!! Put me on the prayer list too. Their definition of what a sin is would not be trustworthy though. LGBT has always been considered a sin by Christians. Your narrative that they only have believed that recently -“Since they can’t get away with hating people of color”- is demonstrably false.It is also false that “hating people of color” was ever a traditional Christian doctrine. March 2, 2019 at 3:11 pm March 1, 2019 at 8:05 am March 3, 2019 at 2:22 pm March 5, 2019 at 10:33 am FriendlyGoat says: The New Testament tells us to give no offence. However, as an article in The Christian Post attests, every time a disciple of Jesus Christ speaks the truth, someone will be offended. The New Testament also says that he who claims to love Jesus, but hates his brother, is a liar, and liars will go to Hell. Jesus said, “By this shall people know that you are my disciples: that you love one another as I have loved you.” Your comment about Mark is not Christ-like. Remember to “pull the beam of wood out of your own eye, before looking for a speck of dust in someone else’s eye.” Nonsense. The holy hypocrites have their own edited versions of “God’s Word” bent to their own hateful view of the world. And the Bible is not the seamless, flawless “marvel” that you folks pretend. It’s just the Constantine approved reading list of moldy old scrolls from back in the day when the pagan Emperor of Roman invented a new state religion. March 3, 2019 at 11:46 am March 1, 2019 at 12:07 pm You shouldn’t call people names, dumb ass. Jesus god hates that shit “Your church has made it perfectly clear that they despise you…”Do I have to point out that it’s impossible to have a “dialogue” with someone to whom disagreement = “despite”? If you want to “live like that Book of Discipline no longer exists,” it’s certainly appropriate to “leave them behind” and start up your own denomination. It would certainly be inappropriate to remain in a denomination whose rules and discipline you entirely reject. Chapter and verse, please. Michelle K says: March 1, 2019 at 4:21 pm March 5, 2019 at 9:23 pm It sounds like you need to spend some more time listening to people in communities that have experienced slander and oppression. You do not own the Bible or its interpretation. Here’s the perspective of a queer Methodist pastor who was in St. Louis: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/queer-clergy-begged-our-fellow-methodists-to-love-us-they-voted-no/2019/03/01/ac1a232c-3b87-11e9-aaae-69364b2ed137_story.html?utm_term=.a7e81bb72592 Not one sexually active lgbt Christian or not will enter the kingdom of Heaven ( GOD ).And GOD/JESUS created no one lgbtqpnb they chose to defy GOD/JESUS with their chosen Sins against GOD/JESUS.The same goes for all Christian or not heterosexuals that choose to defy GOD/JESUS with their chosen Sins against GOD/JESUS. Bill Paca says: OttoZeit says: I am a fully human being. I am a fully gay man. It’s not a question of “not being able to help myself.” The real question is, why does it obsess a certain class of so called Christian so very, very, very, very much? But I will tell you what is a matter of “not being able to help yourself.“ Homobigotry, a great example of which is your comment about a new subspecies of human being whose mantra is “I can’t help myself.”There is no “cure” for homosexuality, because it is not a disease, spiritual, emotional, physical, or mental. Homobigotry, on the other hand, is a disease of th3 soul that you will not give up, becuase it allows you too much satisfaction in your despite of others who must happen to be different from you in a way the scares the living bejeezus out of you, yet at the same time, allows you to feel god’s lie in your despite.Does that lay it out clearly enough for you? Probably not. kronzypantz says: JP says: March 3, 2019 at 10:32 pm Ron McPherson says: Michelle K says: Only “victims” may be seen as the beleaguered underdog. An American Media prerequisite. March 1, 2019 at 1:55 pm March 1, 2019 at 11:17 am March 1, 2019 at 5:01 pm Vladonald Trumputin says: March 1, 2019 at 11:18 am March 6, 2019 at 12:18 am Wow, Sister Shawnie5, you’ve got this! This says it all, and how messed up everything LGBTesque really is:“And the Magic 8 Ball … a gay Episcopal … flicked him off like a booger because [the gay man] Ben is an atheist!”Bang onSpot onRight onThumbs up Art says: March 5, 2019 at 12:09 pm JD says: March 1, 2019 at 2:50 pm March 2, 2019 at 4:23 pm Ben in Oakland says: thank you. A loving and reasonable father would not be describing people he knows nothing about as ravenous wolves. Jim Johnson says: Honey, I don’t even hate you. But whatever you need to think to get you through the day.for myself, I would suggest you get some help. Art says: Ben in Oakland says: Art says: There is no “pejorative language” at all in that three sentence post you are replying to, Mr. Line.Try again. Mark Connelly says: I mean, not going with divorce and remarriage except for adultery Yes, they are called fundamentalist bigots. They destroy the reputation, moral authority and cultural respectability of such churches in efforts to make them into Right Wing PACs. People like you. Spineless petty hateful types. March 1, 2019 at 10:17 am March 3, 2019 at 12:07 am I guess some people prefer whacking off online in a different fashion. Nothing good comes from a conversation with such a lying hateful troll as yourself. But it is amusing. Brian Curtis says: March 1, 2019 at 6:56 pm D.M.S. says: I think I’m going to flag you, dearie. I also think that I can recognize a homosexual hating homosexual when I see one. Here,s some information for you. You will NEVER, EVER kill that which is within you by demanding that we be destroyed. But you might destroy yourself. Art says: And yet again, another article from RNS in which the photos exclusively highlight the LGBT side.Not a single photo of Traditionalists praying, singing etc., even though they comprised the majority.The unsubtle propaganda of the Religious News Service. It’s their version of the “good news” I suppose 🙄 What seems to be lacking is hate of the person himself.Hating the sin is A-OK.Being blunt is also no problem – the Savior and the Apostles were all blunt when called for.Ben in Oakland’s posts are appropriate targets for the kind of bluntness Seven Seven used. Because the villains here already have a voice with the church. Because the subject of Homosexuality is not going away:The future for our Methodist version of Christianity has hope and a healthy direction, yes.But we need wisdom applied to knowledge.We need giant courage, not cultural conformity.We need compassion and understanding, along with “progressiveness” along with being “WOKE” to be informed by truth.WHO CAN OFFER THIS? Many people, to be sure, but:If you haven’t met this man or do not know of him and his ministry, he is a worthwhile investigation.Please meet Joe Dallashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn6RA9hvQeAhttps://joedallas.com/ It’s all any consistently “humanistic” soul has to resort to. And it’s the living embodiment of Sin in the sense of the Hebrew word “chata,” as “going wide of the mark.” You can, but it doesn’t ever make it true. March 3, 2019 at 1:38 pm March 1, 2019 at 11:31 am Then don’t join it.It will be a win-win. March 1, 2019 at 5:17 pm March 1, 2019 at 11:21 am Art says: Ben in Oakland says: March 1, 2019 at 11:41 am March 2, 2019 at 8:53 pm March 6, 2019 at 12:00 am Oh no, not that stupid “Centurion’s gay sex surrogate” baloney again.Ask any Classical scholar. Roman soldiers away from home had sex with the local women from where they were stationed. They had no need for “gay sex surrogates”. March 1, 2019 at 9:19 am To whom? You are simply the funniest.I seem to recall his blocking you after one or two of your surly snide shots.Put the doobie down for awhile and read in your inbox.I, of course, will never block you. You’re the best target there is. March 2, 2019 at 8:46 am I don’t block “those I don’t agree with”. I block those who persist in sending strings of fight-picking replies directly to me when they should have been writing their own original opinions, also known as peddling their own peanuts. Blocking you, by the way, is not bullying you. It’s actually the opposite. It’s me arranging to get myself as far away from you as possible. It’s me telling you that you can send me nastygrams all day long, but that alas, they are undeliverable and won’t be seen, read or answered by your intended target. March 1, 2019 at 11:53 am Preston says: Glenn Harrell says: Will anyone (other than you & you cohorts) ever care? You’re welcome. I’m glad you can see it.I want to emphasize something. I’m not your enemy, nor the enemy of your faith, nor the enemy of Christians in general, or religion is general.I want the same freedom, the same rights, the same participation in society as anyone else– as a gay man, as an atheist, as a cultural jew, as I am made. Nothing more and nothing less.I’ve said this many times. “A usual, what you “get” is your own gut – your own feelings about the matter.”As do you. The possibility of women separating from and divorcing their husbands is acknowledged by the Lord Jesus in Mark 10:12, and by the Apostle Paul in I Corinthians 7:15-17.The topic was further discussed by the Christians of the earliest centuries – such as Sts. Basil and John Chrysostom – and was finally codified by St. Justinian in Novel 117, found in Book 28, Title VII of the Basilica. March 1, 2019 at 1:02 pm March 2, 2019 at 5:50 pm March 1, 2019 at 12:59 pm Being Gay is not a choice. Neither is being Straight. Please demonstrate by “choosing” to be gay… for only a month… come on, show us. Yet we are all humans and few attain the higher standard. March 1, 2019 at 12:01 pm Spuddie says: OttoZeit says: RidingTheLine says: March 2, 2019 at 5:43 pm March 1, 2019 at 6:56 pm March 1, 2019 at 12:13 pm You are of the world. Christians are not to conform to the world.1 John 2:15-17. March 1, 2019 at 5:21 pm March 1, 2019 at 9:20 am February 28, 2019 at 6:26 pm March 1, 2019 at 5:16 pm Wrong. Predominantly the American UMC decided that homosexual behavior and social justice issues would be placed before scripture.You and others may do as you wish. God has given all of us free will. I do agree with you that people may put on their sneakers and walk. It’s what I did 6 years ago. You have to know where you stand or you’ll fall for anything. D.M.S. says: Seven Seven says: Wrong. It was not the Traditionalist that wrought the bitter fruit. The UMC has The Book of Discipline, which is based upon scripture, to govern it. It was a socialist push by the LBGTQ community within the church to delete the wording regarding homosexuality. There is no hatred nor bigotry simply, because we believe this lifestyle is not God honoring. There are many in positions of leadership who ignored what scripture says, because it doesn’t suit them. They chose to subvert from within and do as they pleased thinking they could steamroll those who disagreed with them. Again, my belief is that because there will be no consequences for going against scripture or the book of discipline things will remain status quo for sometime. March 5, 2019 at 6:21 am Glenn Harrell says: You are the liar here. March 1, 2019 at 5:19 pm March 2, 2019 at 11:52 pm Shawnie5 says: RidingTheLine says: Again, a thoroughgoing incomprehension of Christianity — and its adherents (including what it means to be one). The Christian faith is not something that one “tries,” like a suit of clothes (“Oh, this fit is uncomfortable…I think I’ll put on something else.”) — it is a comprehensive change of identity that, once in place, begins to alter the rest of the personality. If that doesn’t happen (“by their fruits shall you know them”), the identity wasn’t adopted, it was merely brushed up against. Yes, we see that a lot here. They actually think Dan Brown is a historian. March 1, 2019 at 11:19 am Democrats and members of ISIS share the same character content in spite of their personality differences. Ben in Oakland says: Glenn Harrell says: Spuddie says: Mark Connelly says: The New Testament doesn’t have anything to say explicitly about homosexuality. It does have a lot to say about radical acceptance through allowing eunuchs and gentiles to join God’s people. RidingTheLine says: March 4, 2019 at 10:55 pm D.M.S. says: Ben in Oakland says: Glenn Harrell says: Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn ReddIt Email,About the authorView All Posts A usual, what you “get” is your own feelings about the matter. No one doubts you have those well explored.The reality (also as usual) is bigger than your stereotypes. There are plenty of modern, contemporary and scientific sources testifying to the news that God exists. But the Bible is the uniquely authoritative – and intimately relevant – one. Since it is authoritative, it only needs to be set forth once. And since the Reality/Truth it sets forth is unchanging, it doesn’t need to be continually updated – i.e., it only need to be set forth once.But of course, that message – in whole and in part – goes forth from there though many channels, with some of them always in “modern” form in any age (the living, breathing testimony of the day will never be extinguished).The moral order that the (entire) Bible describes doesn’t change, but historical circumstances do, and of course people will accordingly change the manner which that order is applied. Ancient because it’s timeless, and only needs to be established once. Modern because it’s timeless, and is therefore applicable to anything that happens in “time,” including our time. March 2, 2019 at 5:38 pm When you get fired from your job, your very existence as a human demeaned, beaten up on the street because you are fundamentalist, called a threat to society, threatened with prison becuase of what makes your weenie hard, and told you were better off dead, you can tell me all about it.Good bye. March 3, 2019 at 12:51 am Yup. Blocked shortly after those posts Ted Mccartin says: March 1, 2019 at 4:38 pm March 1, 2019 at 9:25 am “The world will go on as it always has but the church must decide daily who she is and whose she is.The church must never judge those who refuse Christ and remain lost–they will love if they belong to Christ.The church must judge its own. (I Corinthians 5:9-13)”One of the best incentives for NOT becoming a Christian is that I will be required to make a choice/choices.The most significant being who is correct about all of my chosen behaviors, most of which have nothing to do with sex.Christians must decide loyalty and alignment just like non-Christians.How they obey and how they present such loyalty is often in question.As a professing non-Christian, you get no judgement from me Ben. But when you come face to face with the love of Christ for you as I did for myself, then who we live with and how (as seen by others) becomes trivial compared to this love and hope.Meanwhile, why are you here caught up in the crossfire of the churches in-house-dysfunctions?As bad off as we are, you won’t fix us, I’m sure you already know this. Do you actually believe that God/Jesus gave these virgin captive women to David to have sexual relations with them? Good advice. Spuddie, who do you Atheists pray to these days? (And please don’t say, “Ourselves.”) March 3, 2019 at 8:48 pm March 5, 2019 at 3:28 pm Preston says: Seven Seven says: March 1, 2019 at 4:18 pm Art says: The usual use of pejorative language to attempt to invalidate LGBTQ people of faith wears ever thinner; showing only how hollow your own holy hypocrisy is. March 2, 2019 at 5:34 pm March 1, 2019 at 1:08 pm Sandi in EL says: ““Let us not step back from challenging, resisting, everything — ignoring the book so that we can simply be beloved children of God and the beloved people of God,” Meredith said.” You aren’t children of God, you are children of wrath““self-avowed practicing homosexuals” cannot be ordained as ministers, appointed to serve or be married in the church.” Why are you allowing them to be members of your church and you should expect these problems with allowing them to think they are Christian.“the Love Your Neighbor Coalition’s worship service ” Loving your neighbour is not letting them go to Hell without a fight, and this is what the church is trying to accomplish“There also is a generation coming up that needs to see them be the light in a dark world, ” Then help them to go to Heaven and not Hell by advocating their bondage to sin““We are the church,” Warren said. ” But you are not a church of Christ if you endorse sinning. March 1, 2019 at 3:18 pm I will pray for you. May you receive wisdom, knowledge and integrity that clearly is so sorely absent in your life. May you finally be able to stick to one handle instead of various sockpuppets. Mark Connelly says: March 2, 2019 at 7:05 pm Because the bigot side isn’t really news. They got their way. Nothing changed for them. The news is how it impacts others. You Enjoy Myself says: March 1, 2019 at 1:17 pm Amen. Father Richard Rohr speaks on this in his “Great Themes of Scripture” series. FriendlyGoat says: I think I will flag this one, too. And again, honey, you will NEVER kill that which is in yourself as you lie and slander about me. Good for you.Now leave lgbtiq folks alone. Ben in Oakland says: March 1, 2019 at 4:45 pm God I don’t believe in, I love Christian love. just like regular love, but no calories. March 5, 2019 at 11:13 pm That’s the lie of the lgbtip crowd. It’s not normal because homosexual forces people to use their sex organs in unnatural ways the leads to sickness and death. Just look at the CDC reports. If they allowed best/iality, it still would not make homosexuality an un-sin Alexandra says: March 1, 2019 at 1:22 pm Sandi in EL says: By: Emily McFarlan Miller emmillerwrites That’s quite True. Jesus also calls them antiChrists and children of Satan. Jesus also says the truth offends the wicked. We know Satan is a liar, beguiler, and destroyer. When you turn away from Christ and assist the evil one and his slaves, it’s obvious what your intentions are. The biblical Goliath never got back up again. March 3, 2019 at 12:12 am RidingTheLine says: March 3, 2019 at 11:43 am March 1, 2019 at 8:13 am There’s no “solid scholarship” on that subject at all. Only allowing men to divorce, not wives divorcing unfaithful husbands? JD says: Ben in Oakland says: March 2, 2019 at 7:53 am March 1, 2019 at 11:29 am Exactly. When you and I get out of the way, then Jesus and the truth do what only they can do. Your job and mine is to love.Who is “them”? Who is it that you must convert? Are you addressing the context of this article? Who are these Anti-Christs? Ted Mccartin says: March 2, 2019 at 3:28 pm Yes, He does. The “seed” of the man is meant to impregnate the woman as God commanded Adam and Eve to “multiply and replenish the Earth”. God was angry with Onan for spilling his “seed” on the ground. Ejaculating in another man’s (or woman’s for that matter) rectum or mouth is abhorrent to God. The punishment for homosexuality under the Law of Moses was being stoned to death. Just because Jesus gave us the New Covenant doesn’t mean that the nature of what is sinful changed, only the severity of the punishment for sin changed. Because of His Atonement and Grace, we are able to repent without fear of being put to physical death. However, failure to repent will result in spiritual death in Hell, and our resurrection will be delayed until we have suffered enough for our own sins. Shawnie has shown before that she has a firm grasp of Roman History. Calling her a troll only displays your own abysmal ignorance of the subject.Disagree? Show us your “solid scholarship”. Otherwise, YOU are the troll. TS (unami) says: Follow the events in the Episcopal Church from 1974 to today, or the continental Old Catholics from circa 1960 to today, and you see how “accepting” the progressives are – right up to the moment they get control.Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out. March 1, 2019 at 4:41 pm Art says: JD says: Do note that the “conservatives” were not the ones who made this their signature issue. March 4, 2019 at 11:34 am So…you agree that what we have here are dueling “opinions,” rather than a dispute that can be settled by an appeal to objectively verifiable “facts?” D.M.S. says: Sandi in EL says: March 1, 2019 at 8:12 am TS (unami) says: May the one true god Lord Zardlar’s blessings rain down on your carapace, D.M.S. All can be forgiven through him, as you well know.,Independent report finds allegations against Willow Creek founder Bill Hybels credible March 3, 2019 at 11:19 am OttoZeit says: March 1, 2019 at 2:03 pm I believe you to be a sockpuppet yourself. March 3, 2019 at 12:16 am Seven Seven says: TS (unami) says: Mark Connelly says: March 1, 2019 at 2:07 pm Sandi in EL says: You’ve yet to make a point that I agree with. News Spuddie says: floydlee says: TS (unami) says: March 1, 2019 at 7:45 pm Yep, the traditionalists who follow God’s Word, not the LGBTs who will, as always, stay in the UMC to continue to pervert it from the inside. If they eventually gain control, they will gradually censure and push out the traditionalists, as we have seen them do with the Episcopalians and others. You Enjoy Myself says: Yep. Tagshomepage featured LGBT LGBTQ Top Story Traditional Plan UMC UMCGC United Methodist Church United Methodist Church General Conference,You may also like RidingTheLine says: Why, are you recruiting? VAvoter says: March 1, 2019 at 2:19 pm 🙂 JD says: March 1, 2019 at 7:01 pm kronzypantz says: Mark Connelly says: FriendlyGoat says: You honestly can’t understand basic English, can you? Seven Seven says: March 1, 2019 at 4:36 pm Mark Connelly says: kronzypantz says: I went all the way there — and came back again — before I became a Christian to begin with. Ron McPherson says: March 4, 2019 at 7:52 pm March 1, 2019 at 2:38 pm Ben in Oakland says: March 2, 2019 at 10:33 pm floydlee says: February 28, 2019 at 8:38 pm RidingTheLine says: HpO says: Glenn Harrell says: Ron McPherson says: March 1, 2019 at 2:44 pm Ron McPherson says: March 2, 2019 at 3:12 pm Preston says: No shit? 1,000,000 times .000001 is 1. Glenn Harrell says: March 1, 2019 at 4:55 pm TS (unami) says: Your deflection was in answering a question I didn’t ask, instead of the one I did. To address your fanciful hypothetical, if someone I deeply cared about had been affected by the transgender derangement, before anything else, I’d undertake the daunting task of trying to get inside their head to determine what went wrong, and how. What I’d do after that depends on what I found there.So, now the question you deflected reappears: what would be your reaction if your child became (fill in the blank) and rejected your unbelieving lifestyle and the causes that support it? To get as far away as possible from any particulars, the question is simply how would you react if someone close abruptly rejected everything you believe in? That’s true. You perverts are devoted to sexually corrupting every kid in the world. You are devilish monsters that love being genocidal baby killers. The truth is you have the same character content as ISIS members in spite of your personality differences. It is obvious you are monstrous and tyrannical enemies. We cannot safely co-exist with you.I did not write this post for you. I write for my people to read. Those associations that ‘ JD ‘ mentions are just as“ MENTALLY ILL “ as she is and the lgbt ( thugs ) Mafia. God has allowed polygamy, but it is not in His plan. Divorce is allowed in certain circumstances, Partaking of those against His will, will not make homosexuality not a sin Mark Connelly says: Glen, I did a very quick reading of your comments, but they seem right on. “No, I am not a Christian, and thank the god I don’t believe in for that.”You might make it clear what in your lifestyle conflicts with being Christian, or at least anything generally identifiable as Christian. FriendlyGoat says: So there you go, Floyd. Exactly as I expected, he plans to turn around and point the finger at all the other believers of the ages and say, But this one did x, and that one did y, all those over there did abc…AND I WAS SUCH A NICE GUY — and let me explain why in 85,000 words! All I did was mock and attack Your creation design and Your natural law and Your word, and spend a good chunk of my life hanging out on religion discussion boards encouraging little ones who were trying to believe in You but were weak in faith and scriptural knowledge to fall into sins that nailed You to the cross…(Luke 17:1-2)And rather than put my own words in the Messiah’s mouth, I’ll simply end the screenplay there. Mark Connelly says: Mark Connelly says: Ken Campbell says: For that check out https://disqus.com/by/spuddie/ JP says: March 2, 2019 at 6:02 pm TS (unami) says: I don’t condemn anyone.Telling someone that they’re sinning against our Lord is truth. Then it’s their choice to turn their lives around and live their life to serve Christ Jesus. Or choose to ‘ condemn ‘ themselves by ‘ not ‘ accepting and serving our Lord Christ Jesus. Glenn Harrell says: March 3, 2019 at 3:04 pm P.S. it is obvious the above person hates and is devoted to destroying everything that is wholesome. It is obvious he exists to steal, kill, and destroy. OttoZeit says: Elagabalus says: Mark Connelly says: kronzypantz says: Not exactly the most difficult work in the world… March 4, 2019 at 3:56 pm March 3, 2019 at 4:18 pm Rick Brant says: When they are devoted to sexually corrupting kids, mass murdering babies, and a host of other things, it is love to directly tell them and my people that they are dangerous monsters.It is not love to pretend Satan responds to kindness. They do not want Jesus. They are devoted to stealing, killing, and destroying. They are literally at war against Christ. You look at one part of scripture and ignore another. You ignore the blunt truth and power many with Christ, and noted in scripture spoke and lived in. I remind you, there is a time for war.You question if I am a Christian, and I question if you are a Christian. I know Satan misapplies scripture to deceive.Can you write all LGBT is sin? Can you write those that deny LGBT is sin are liars? Can you write “the LGBT are devoted to abortion? Can you write 99% of the abortions in America are motivated by greed and ambitions?” If you cannot write those words, it is obvious you defend sin, defend the corruption and murder of kids; moreover, it proves that you are not a Christian.So, I’m testing you. Write what I’ve asked, or I will believe you twist scripture to cause harm. Try 34,999. Spuddie says: Rick Brant says: March 2, 2019 at 1:17 am Far better at putting up a coherent argument and post. 😀 Sandi in EL says: March 1, 2019 at 11:21 pm March 2, 2019 at 3:37 pm I totally agree with you and Rick Brant. Jesus said that those who follow Him will be persecuted, and that wolves in sheeps’ clothing will come amongst the believers to destroy us with false doctrines based on the philosophies of men, and that they would perform miracles under the influence of Satan’s power.May the Lord and the Holy Ghost be with you and help you remain strong in Faith and Hope until the Lord returns. To the real Christians who read this thread: while it is good to lead people to Christ, it is also good to defend the kids from the perverts who sexually corrupt kids and are equally devoted to the genocide of abortion. It does great harm to deny those that do these things are devilish monsters devoted to sexually harming and killing kids. I’ll applaud your truth….. March 2, 2019 at 5:13 pm Snd yes dearie you have done the same, spouted what you believe.Which means nothing to me.Peace. Very well said and spot on. March 1, 2019 at 1:39 pm There are also no cures for pederasty, kleptomania, or necrophilia.Tough break. Michelle K says: Mark Connelly says: kronzypantz says: D.M.S. says: Mark Connelly says: March 1, 2019 at 9:43 am D.M.S. says: Telling the truth about the lbgt crowd does not make one homophobic. Rather you should be applauding me. March 5, 2019 at 9:54 am D.M.S. says: Glenn Harrell says: Art says: March 2, 2019 at 5:49 pm Harrassed? I have in no way shape or form harassed you, nor have I been in your face. According to my own opinion/beliefs you are incorrect. I’ve only been commenting on here approximately one week. I’ve seen you, and those of your ilk, bully, threaten, and block (threaten to block) those you don’t agree with. If you’re so easily upset by the opinions of others online, stay off. Other than totally disagree with, I’ve done and said nothing to be bullied by you or anyone else. Calvinist……chuckle. It is all part of the big plan. No. Simply no. March 4, 2019 at 5:32 pm Your degenerate fantasies are like one of those little Russian “babushka” dolls, aren’t they? You blow one away with a little Reality, only to find another, smaller one, nestled inside.And while we’re on the theme of fantasies — “what will you do when your own child comes out as” Christian and rejects your lifestyle and the causes that support it?What then? Art says: TS (unami) says: I never worry about anything you do, don’t do, say, or otherwise.Relative to you, I’m just here to barbecue your sodden BS before some poor schlemiel gets taken in by it. March 4, 2019 at 11:03 pm March 2, 2019 at 11:13 pm VA–Washington Post wants money before one can view this. Thanks for the gesture. Helene Gates says: Vladonald Trumputin says: March 1, 2019 at 11:16 am Flagged. D.M.S. says: The UMC has recently contained large numbers of people who correctly understand that there is not really any “sin” problem with same-gender marriage and never was. They get it that there certainly can be a “sin” problem with random promiscuity which is one likely destination for people who are denied marriage arrangements approved by society. Most of these people are themselves straight, not gay, and they will find themselves less and less interested in having their church dragged away from their own natural inclinations to tolerance and compassion for other people’s differentness. If they had wanted to act like Fundamentalists (and for that matter, Islamists) on this issue, they would not have spent their most recent years and decades as Methodists in the first place. My recommendation to them is to vote with their feet and never give another dime to the hierarchy of Methodism. There is no spiritual happiness to be found in a church where 53% of members are gleeful about whacking the sensibilities of the other 47%. Everything Mark posts is garbage. He is not worth responding to. March 3, 2019 at 11:47 am If you see where the RNS articles appear you get a pretty good idea of their market, e.g. The National Catholic Reporter. Do we choose to be Christian? You Enjoy Myself says: OttoZeit says: JD says: Rick Brant says: None of the events in your long first sentence occur if you keep your mouth shut.Unlike the folks in your second sentence, no one can see what you like in the way of whoopie and pick you unless you let them in on it.Your skin, for example, is not a different color.What you’re looking for is, in fact, and endorsement of behavior – not skin color, not religious beliefs, and not having breasts (I would suppose). Sandi in EL says: RidingTheLine says: March 1, 2019 at 5:00 pm You’re such a scream. Shawnie5 says: Sandi in EL says: So it basically only it’exists in ancient mythology.Got it. Thanx. Can you say “slightly Biased journalism” ? Art says: March 2, 2019 at 5:31 pm March 1, 2019 at 8:08 am Rick Brant says: March 1, 2019 at 1:17 pm Shawnie5 says: You should look up and read what Toby Johnson (Gay Spirituality/Queering Religion) has to say on the topic of being LGBTQ and individually spiritual. I think people read the Da Vinci Code thinking it was based on fact and started the myth about the “cutting room floor at Nicea” And now it’s been circulated so much that it comes up regularly in google searches and the ignorant buy it without a second thought. March 5, 2019 at 2:34 pm Emily McFarlan Miller emmillerwrites No modern Classics/Ancient History scholarship supports the idea that Constantine composed the Bible, silly. Thanks again for the nice words. I think it is what scares our multiple personality’d commenter the most. You are a devilish liar, pervert, and genocidal baby killer. Jesus Christ says that you say good is evil: you say evil is good: you say truth are lies: you say lies are truth. I say, you are a domestic enemy. I say if a civil war to put down slavery was good, then it is good to have a civil war to put down the pervert genocidal baby killers. I say, not only are you depraved, demented, and dangerous, but you are a domestic enemy. It is evident that domestic enemies are not our fellow Americans. I guess that covers it all. Glenn Harrell says: Rick Brant says: He has serious issues.NWMT “Without knowing anything about it, that tells me right there that you’re speaking of a controversial and disputed academic *opinion* and not a fact to be argued from.”It’s the “top men” thing again. Invariably it means he has no idea what his position is based on but he’s SURE the evidence is out there somewhere.Reminiscent of CarrotCakeMan (perhaps before your time here) and his “Modern scholars have proved…” followed by a long cut-and-paste from poor John Boswell — the “top man” that all of this nonsense comes from. March 1, 2019 at 8:41 am March 1, 2019 at 4:33 pm Art says: JP says: Kiumbi says: Buttigieg walks fine line in courting religious left August 29, 2019 JD says: Ron McPherson says: March 1, 2019 at 1:51 pm March 1, 2019 at 1:13 pm D.M.S. says: Rick Brant says: And you have been presented with a whole series of critiques, arguments and discussion points that you have repeatedly and pointedly ignored in favor of relapsing into your “this is why I disdain Christianity” mode.Seeking grounds of commonality, I do agree with you that “there really isn’t much to discuss” until you show some willingness to come to grips with what I say. See you next time. March 1, 2019 at 4:09 pm No one said that Constantine “composed” the moldy old scrolls. Try reading for understanding. I asserted, true to history, that Constantine APPROVED the reading list of his hand-picked council of clerics. An approved reading list means that they took all of the old scrolls available to them and made a list of the ones that they wanted and another for the scrolls being rejected. Old scrolls that appeared to support what Constantine wanted were approved and the ones that didn’t were rejected. The old pagan didn’t do any of the heavy lifting, he just approved the list. Got it? March 7, 2019 at 1:26 am D.M.S. says: March 1, 2019 at 2:28 pm February 28, 2019 at 9:39 pm You’re quite the LGBT-Zealot, the LGBT-Obsessing, the LGBT-Martyr Complex, the Meta-LGBT Theorist of Everything-LGBT, ain’t you. LGBT-ism has become a 24/7 Fix and a Brainwashing Ideology for you. So let me simplify matters, then, in these terms (and if you can’t understand it, then you’re Totally Lost Beyond the Grave):Compare you, LGBT Godless Atheist, who care so much about LGBT Godfearing Theists, not at all because of their religion, but only because of their sexuality;With me, Heterosexual Theist, who couldn’t care less about Heterosexual Atheists, not at all because of their sexuality, but only because of their godlessness!The Latter Case – mine – is Uncontroversially Norm-al! My set priorities are in order.The Former Case – yours – is Weirdly Ab-Norm-al! Your priorities are out of whack, if you have them at all in the first place. And so you would ridicule LGBT Theists’ religions but never their sexualities – WHAT?!?!?! Absolute nonsense. Do you believe that David had relations with all of these virgin captive women? Havent seen you in a while, darlin’. How have you been? Thanks for that. It strikes me as thoughtful. Now, indulge me a little if I “preach” something here. It is my opinion that when a person receives Jesus on an individual level that both of those manifestations of ego are supposed to be conquered in that person. We are not supposed to continue “feeling superior” for any reason, and THIS is what I hoped and thought Christianity was about. It is always a disappointment to me when so many of those who hang around churches are completely clueless to this side of “religion” but rather cling TENACIOUSLY to legalism for themselves and everyone they can coerce with it. Our “signature issue” is supposed to be kindness and everyone is in heightened danger when that fails to be the case, no? FriendlyGoat says: Hi Seven,If you profess to know Christ, please refrain from writing words that conflict and contradict this profession. It is a matter of family embarrassment and misrepresentation.If you are not a Christian, then forge ahead with the hate and judgement if you must. All good.Even non-Christians know better. March 7, 2019 at 1:23 am March 1, 2019 at 2:50 pm JD says: March 1, 2019 at 4:52 pm TS (unami) says: I could lecture you on higher standard not always being a good thing.On your Orwellian attempt to cast anyone who agrees with medical science as homophobic.Or on the ramification of slander.But frankly you’re not worthy of my time. March 1, 2019 at 11:16 am LGBT Nones are starting to distance themselves from Atheists & Agnostics. Classic instance is Democratic Arizona Rep. Kyrsten Sinema. Another instance was shown to me earlier today by Shawnie5, when, here at RNS, before my time, “the Magic 8 Ball … a gay Episcopal … flicked him off like a booger because [the gay man] Ben is an atheist!” When they chant, “We are in this to the end,” they are expressing their present devotion to not being truly of one accord with us. We know it is good to love and pray for them as we do that for all enemies; however, it’s obvious that we cannot be share unity with them in their present state of being. It’s evident they are wolves in sheep’s clothing. What loving and reasonable father would invite packs of ravenous wolves into his home to share a dinner meal with his family? Sure. You like to talk about “kinky stuff.” Whatever floats your boat No siree. The ancient Christians considered homosexual relations a sin, and excommunicated any who practiced it, as the Patristic writers and Canons witness. March 7, 2019 at 3:59 pm OttoZeit says: Seven Seven says: https://disqus.com/home/discussion/religionnews/were_in_this_to_the_end_lgbtq_united_methodists_express_hurt_hope_after_general_conference/#comment-4360363736 March 5, 2019 at 11:08 am Ben in Oakland says: Spuddie says: I think Mark has had a few too many Shawnie5 says: “I mean ‘Christian love’ that is often indistinguishable from despite or hate…”Nice deflection (attempt). I realize that’s what you think about Christians in general, but your comment (“…just like regular love, but no calories.”) doesn’t express that attitude – it expresses as I explained it: your “Christian” version of love is just a pale, depleted version of the real thing.More to the point, the larger, flip-side implications of your remark are also clear: from a merely human viewpoint, the substance and motivating drive of (merely) human love is personal, sensual, and sexual satisfaction. Without it, what’s the point? Few would bother, except for self-deceived believers who destructively blunder toward some imaginary standard.And that pretty much sums up your view of the matter, on both sides of the ideological divide. March 1, 2019 at 3:47 pm OttoZeit says: March 1, 2019 at 10:19 pm More sockpuppetry. The actual Bible stories refer to pagan practices that could include non-consensual sexual assault as worship of pagan Gods. There are no references to consensual same-sex relations. There is also the indirect approval of such relations when Christ healed the special servant of the Roman Centurion. Several Bible scholars have shown solid evidence that such special servants of Roman officials posted away from Rome were their gay sex surrogates. Christ would not have healed someone he considered an abomination. Thus, the Bible is as clear as mud on our modern understanding of “equal love.” Good night, I have church in the morning. March 2, 2019 at 5:37 pm The funniest part is that Bob / Mark / Bill / Art thinks he can get away with his shape-shifting without anyone noticing. Ben in Oakland says: March 5, 2019 at 11:40 pm March 3, 2019 at 12:17 am RidingTheLine says: March 1, 2019 at 5:05 pm What will you do when your own child comes out as LGBTIQ? So what? March 5, 2019 at 11:37 am March 1, 2019 at 7:18 pm RidingTheLine says: Ben in Oakland says: Spuddie says: OttoZeit says: Mark Connelly says: RidingTheLine says: OttoZeit says: Did God the Son, state anything about marriage? Bill Paca says: Shawnie5 says: D.M.S. says: Sorry I missed all the drama. This place gets more convoluted than the TV Soap Operas! March 2, 2019 at 4:46 pm March 1, 2019 at 5:09 pm March 1, 2019 at 5:14 pm Ben in Oakland says: March 1, 2019 at 8:22 pm LGBTQIA affirming Methodists do not want to leave. They do not buy into the mis-understanding that the denomination is just some club with various franchises to be thrown away when it becomes inconvenient. March 1, 2019 at 3:05 pm March 2, 2019 at 3:08 pm You should. It’s a violation of terms of service, and it is fundamentally dishonest. Glenn Harrell says: Seven Seven says: TS (unami) says: March 1, 2019 at 3:32 pm March 1, 2019 at 12:47 pm You two are amusing, you probably share an apartment.Which of you is:https://disqus.com/by/vladonaldtrumputin/? floydlee says: Ben in Oakland says: Troll, troll, go away and come back as Doris Day. Feel free to troll (“bless”) someone else. JD says: March 1, 2019 at 1:22 pm The false Christians have to have their boogeymen to hate as a substitute for the “pure love of Christ” totally absent from their religion. Since they can’t get away with hating people of color like they used to, it’s all out war on LGBTQ for the holy hypocrites. JD says: March 1, 2019 at 3:04 pm March 1, 2019 at 4:30 pm Ben in Oakland says: Rick Brant says: irondrake says: March 1, 2019 at 9:21 am Back at ya. March 1, 2019 at 7:04 am You are a sockpuppet handle. Blocking. March 1, 2019 at 2:11 pm Do you always talk in code? D.M.S. says: March 1, 2019 at 5:22 pm March 2, 2019 at 6:16 am Liar. March 2, 2019 at 5:40 pm OK, Einstein, WHY would a Roman Centurion even need a “gay sex surrogate”? God made me gay. You keep on trying to preach that message, but the Bible keeps on preachin’ back at you. So I am forced to cross out your message there. March 1, 2019 at 5:32 pm I answered but I do it again.Like you I’d first try and get into thier head and understand what went wrong and how. Then I’d still respect their choice. D.M.S. says: March 3, 2019 at 12:46 am Glenn Harrell says: You’ve been warned….. March 1, 2019 at 5:42 pm D.M.S. says: Are patriarchs, GOD? You have been presented with facts. You refuse to accept them favor of your fantasies. There really isn’t much to discuss till you wake up. Nope. I just get tired of dealing with you. Debate always turns into trading one-liner put downs, so I thought you should just go “bless” someone else with your negativity. Bye, now. I’d like to believe you, but I have to either wash my hair or have some hot sweaty mansex.try not to think about it too much. Rick Brant says: It would appear based on the votes that the winning party also made it easy to leave. March 1, 2019 at 5:24 pm JD says: Kiumbi says: March 1, 2019 at 12:02 pm I read about Calvinist.No I am ‘ NOT ‘ a calvanist. March 2, 2019 at 8:17 pm March 4, 2019 at 6:52 pm OttoZeit says: February 28, 2019 at 8:39 pm Spuddie says: March 1, 2019 at 6:01 pm And if one of your grandchildren come out as LGBTIQ? March 1, 2019 at 10:28 am March 1, 2019 at 11:35 am February 28, 2019 at 8:30 pm Ben in Oakland says: Okay, let’s get down to the core truth of the matter. Regardless of whether or not a person has a genetic predisposition to being Gay, etc., the New Testament forbids same sex relationships, and also includes the criteria of worthiness to be an ordained minister. To deny the teachings of Jesus and His Apostles, is to deny Christ Himself. You can be Gay, etc., but if you are a true disciple of Jesus Christ, who died for our sins on the Cross at Calvary, you will not act on those sexual impulses which will draw you away from Heavenly Father, His son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. As the United Methodists have decided to follow Biblical teachings on LGBTQ matters, there is no sin on the heads of the leaders, even if the congregants have a different view: a view which is not compatible with, or consistent, with Biblical teachings. I understand that everybody wants to be loved, and wants to love in return, but oral and anal sex, masturbating with vibrators, clitoral wands and dildos, is not okay with Jesus. The New Testament tells us that “no unclean thing can enter the Kingdom of Heaven”. We are also counselled in the scriptures to “seek first the Kingdom of God”, and to “lay up treasures which will be found in Heaven.”The Old Testament makes it quite plain that although God loves His children, He hates sin. We are living in the end times prophesised in Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation. If you don’t want to be burned as stubble when the Lord cleanses the Earth with fire, you need to obey His commandments. ALL of them, no matter how difficult this may be. The Lord’s Atonement and Grace are sufficient for all, but we still need to repent of our sins. Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commansments.” Regarding 1) I don’t call you a cult. I see all religions as equally valid.for the rest, I don’t have the time. Especially since you just called me a swine.but one little thing. It isn’t just gay people, it is our heterosexual allies, friends, colleagues, neighbors, and family members, who believe what they believe because of what their bibles tell them, not despite what their bibles tell them.If you want to make homosexuality the hill you die on, as so many fundamentalists do, be my guest, but I would suggest two things. 1) If you’re going to insist its about being a True Christian, a great many True Christians don’t think you as a Mormon are. You might want to reflect on that as you denounce gay people and our allies for not being True Christians. 2) There are plenty of things not found in the bible that you also ignore, like divorce for any reason except adultery, if then. I’ve known few divorced Mormons, and was told in more than one case that it wasn’t about adultery. Doctrinal purity is is not the position I would be arguing from. God’s def kronzy March 2, 2019 at 5:30 pm March 2, 2019 at 2:56 pm FriendlyGoat says: March 2, 2019 at 11:48 am March 4, 2019 at 1:38 pm I am waiting for their strict definition of marriage to become consistent by adding language against divorce and polygamy to the Discipline. But somehow, I don’t think an appreciation for marriage is their real motive. March 4, 2019 at 12:38 pm OttoZeit says: Shawnie5 says: March 5, 2019 at 4:03 pm March 3, 2019 at 9:02 am March 5, 2019 at 3:26 pm kronzypantz says: Yes. TS (unami) says: A nearly one year old accountLess than 10 posts prior to today.Sticking up for Sockpuppet King. Fake account. Get bent, troll. I will pray for you. Spuddie says: Ben in Oakland says: March 3, 2019 at 9:41 am OttoZeit says: Shawnie5 says: March 1, 2019 at 2:21 pm The poster boy for that sort of thing is the Episcopal Church.Once it became clear that even a bishop could not be tried successfully for heresy for denying Christ was the Son of God and the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, the party was over.The Book of Discipline provides for the removal of congregations in heresy, and at some point that needs to happen as it did in the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran churches. kronzypantz says: March 1, 2019 at 7:07 pm March 1, 2019 at 6:12 pm March 3, 2019 at 7:45 pm I don’t appreciate your sarcastic tone either. So, he likes the kinky stuff, huh? JP says: Do Mark and Bob know you’re stalking me, too? Aren’t you afraid they’re going to get jealous?Didn’t read your comedy, err, comment. I just needed to see your name, and then, BINGO! D.M.S. says: Oh, by the way, just in case you were worried about it, I will not block you or indeed, any of the multiple personalities I believe you post under. I will go back to ignoring the vast majority of your posts again though, under whatever names you post them.Goodbye. Does GOD condemn all human sexual acts except for heterosexual marrrige?Chapter and verse, please. D.M.S. says: March 1, 2019 at 1:56 pm OttoZeit says: March 1, 2019 at 5:00 pm Ben in Oakland says: March 1, 2019 at 8:02 pm March 1, 2019 at 6:06 pm March 1, 2019 at 6:01 pm I’m sure you did. I’m also equally sure you wrote it either because 1) YOU are an enemy of Christianity who ewants to slander Christians, or 2) because you are desperate to kill what is so obviously within you. No, Dearie, I haven’t been warned. Rather you have open up your pie hole and spouted some of the nonsense that you believe.Can I tell you about my Lord Cheeses and his angels, Brie and Camembert, and the sinful Truffled St. Andre? No?Here’s a real warning for you. Get some help with your homosexual issues before they further erode the quality of your life. March 2, 2019 at 5:54 pm Vladonald Trumputin says: March 1, 2019 at 1:17 pm That is ‘ NOT ‘ GOD/JESUS/HolySpirit name.What drugs have you been taking for those kinds of hallucinations. March 2, 2019 at 11:48 pm And by “calories” you mean sexual fulfillment, which to you is apparently the motivating carrot without which “love” either won’t happen, or will be a pale imitation, or a pretense to conform to some abstract standard. What a sad and desiccated concept of “love.” It will take a dose of Christ’s “Living Waters” to give it the vitality of the real thing. Ben in Oakland says: February 28, 2019 at 7:17 pm And stop being gay or you’ll be tortured forever. JD says: Yep, you’ve got it all arranged, it seems. The minute you see God after death, you’ll simply abandon decades of atheism and the gay lifestyle. “On The Spot”, as you put it. Or maybe you’ll just tell God that the “Christian hypocrites” forced you to choose such paths. You’ve got all those post-mortem dominoes lined up. On-The-Spot.But, umm, what if you find out that you don’t quite have a minute? What if it happens too fast for you? What if, upon death, you find you are somehow **already** facing God the Judge? What if He asks you, not about atheism & gayness, but about your personal choice to reject Jesus Christ and the price He paid to get you to Heaven? You ready 4 that one? “Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment” — Heb. 9:27 OttoZeit says: There is no historical evidence that Constantine interfered with the deliberations of the Council. The Bishops worked things out on their own.More importantly, the First Council of Nicea did not decide the question of the Biblical canon. That whole story is not supported by any ancient evidence or modern scholarship, no matter how popular it may be on the internet. I totally agree with you. March 2, 2019 at 5:37 pm Because you *still* haven’t answered my question to you! March 4, 2019 at 11:46 pm Mark Connelly says: Spuddie says: March 5, 2019 at 11:27 am Art says: March 1, 2019 at 3:12 pm Mark Connelly says: floydlee says: Art says: “Personal, sensual, and sexual satisfaction” is not much of a moral code, but at the end of the day it is all he has D.M.S. says: Nope. The modern understanding of LGBTQ did not exist for ancient Christians to disapprove of. That’s like claiming that we should not be on the “devil internet” because it’s not in the Bible. Thanks for sharing why moldy old scrolls can’t help us navigate new understanding of the world. Dear Ben in Oakland(1) I don’t care. (2) The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not fussed about a person being LGBTQ as long as they obey the Law of Chastity i.e., no sexual activity outside of a traditional marriage which was ordained of God in the Garden of Eden to be between a man (Adam) and a woman (Eve). (3) oral and anal sex, masturbating with vibrators, clitoral wands and dildos, are unholy and impure practices which are not to be engaged in by anybody, including heterosexual couples.Regarding (1) above, I could explain why we are not a cult, but you really don’t want to listen and are only deflecting from the real matter at hand, so as St. Paul said, I am not going to feed meat to someone who is not yet weaned off milk. Also, Jesus told us not to cast pearls before swine.This doesn’t change the fact that the activism undertaken by the LGBTQ community in the Christian Church of whatever denomination, is contrary to the Word of God as found n the Bible. If the LGBTQ community wants to remain in its apostate state, disobedient to the commandments of our Lord Jesus Christ, I don’t know why they stay in the Christian Faith. Homosexuality is not a sin in Buddhism, so go be Buddhists, and stop white-anting the Christian Church from within. Then again, this is something which was prophesied in the New Testament as a sign of the last days before the Lord’s Second Coming, so it’s just another victory for Satan until the Lord’s Millenial Reign. That doesn’t mean that those who desire to be Christ’s disciples can be bigoted and discriminatory towards anybody, but St. Paul makes it quite plain that those actively engaged in the Christian Faith should NOT associate with fornicators, drunkards, etc. FriendlyGoat says: Yup. Just blocked as well. March 2, 2019 at 4:15 am “There is no such thing as an “Adulterous Christian” for example–only a professing Christian hoping to justify wrong behavior and have the church stamp “Approved” on it for salve of conscience”It’s the no true Christian fanatasy and fallacy. The “church” has stamped approval on a known adulterer, our dear leader. so nonsense. There are no organized political movements to punish and marginalize adulterers and gluttons, of which Dear Leader is yet another obvious example. So nonsense.And that you cannot distinguish between my adult, consenting, loving, and mutually fulfilling relationship and “Thief, Adulterer, Gossip, Swindler, Covetous, glutton” just tells me that like all Christians willing to point their fingers at others, despite Jesus’s clear admonitions not to, simply tells mew that you have no moral sense whatsoever. Sin levelling is simply another indication of this.No, I am not a Christian, and thank the god I don’t believe in for that. I almost became one 50 years ago, but Nothing I have seen in the last 50 years of THAT sort of Christian has ever convinced me of anything except that hypocrisy, blind judgment, studied ignorance, is what is being sold. “The church must never judge those who refuse Christ and remain lost–they will love” That’s why you people continually tell yourselves to salve your own consciences, to make you feel like you are being righteous, instead of merely self-righteous. You say that right after– guess when?– you compare my adult, consenting, loving, and mutually fulfilling relationship and “Thief, Adulterer, Gossip, Swindler, Covetous, glutton” .really, how could anyone find despite, if not hate, in that? Says the one who believes bats are birds because the bible says so.Btw, homophobia is now considered a mental illness. Y’all might want to seek some help. I wish you well in your continued healing. March 1, 2019 at 4:59 pm March 1, 2019 at 9:58 pm Pete Buttigieg: Religious left is ‘stirring’ August 29, 2019 Whatever you say, Mark-Bob-Art… Bill Paca says: It’s not a matter of sensitive. It’s a matter of how long I put up with being harassed by individuals online Just as you can’t get away with the “Wrong” routine repeatedly slammed against the real people with whom you disagree in your real life, there is a limit to how many times I will accept it here. There is a crazy man here named Mark Connelly who spends his days at this site for no purpose but rudely contradicting other people. I blocked him a long time ago and would be happy to similarly push you back out of my face as well if you plan to continue behaving like him.You can only “debate” (yelling “wrong, incorrect, false, mistaken and untrue”) those who are willing to play the tit-for-tat game with you. I’m not one of them. The truth is that being gay is perfectly normal. They’re just tired of y’all trying to force your religious paranoia on them. Yes, exactly! Rick Brant says: March 5, 2019 at 9:55 am JD says: Ben in Oakland says: March 4, 2019 at 4:32 pm No. Baizuo says: Bill Paca says: Ben in Oakland says: March 3, 2019 at 1:09 am Queers are unholy abominations according to the word of God. And I am a methodist minster, myself. We welcome them at my church so they might see the light, and fight the demon within them that urges them to carnal sin. Ben in Oakland says: HpO says: D.M.S. says: You left out “Bill.” Spuddie says: RidingTheLine says: If they stay that is exactly what they’re saying – it’s just a club, and they can make their own rules. Several of your upvoters do exactly that. Good thing being gay is not a sin. Coming from an avowed atheist and enemy religion, “biblical response” is outright hilarious. When you become a deity you can call the shots. How do you figure? March 1, 2019 at 3:41 pm God definition allows divorce and polygamy? March 5, 2019 at 11:39 am “The New Testament doesn’t have anything to say explicitly about homosexuality.”Or genocide.Or patricide.Or prostitution.Or ….That’s because its audience were Jews who knew the moral law. March 1, 2019 at 6:21 pm Vladonald Trumputin says: You Enjoy Myself says: Nah, leaving it. Liar. There is no point in talking with you. You say good is bad. You say bad is good. You say truth are lies. You say lies are truth. You are so depraved it has literally poisoned your soul causing your mind to be demented and your behaviors dangerous. Literally, you and your kind have more in common with both ISIS members and rabid dogs than you have in common with wholesome people.Frankly, we dont we speak the same language as basic words have entirely different meaning to us. As far as I’m concerned, the only thing we have in common is geography which leads to the phrase “domestic enemy.” The Methodist Demomination, like all the big prostestant denominations, have been over-ran by ravenous wolves in sheep’s clothing, and they live to steal, kill, and destroy. I try to make a point of reading your posts. You often have the best statements on these issues. Well, you could always ask to have the same Christian leaders who biblically evaluated MY marital situation, do the same biblical evaluation of YOUR marital situation too. You’d love it, I’m sure! March 3, 2019 at 2:46 pm (((Daulphin))) says: Not a verse where GOD tells Abraham “no! bad boy! no multiple wives, concubines and slave girls!!”Still waiting… March 1, 2019 at 8:58 pm JD says: Your summation reminded me of a fellow who dropped by here a few years ago, a gay Episcopal former HuffPo’er named Darr (who also had more Disqus identities than Carter had little liver pills but almost never varied from his fixed slate of Magic 8 Ball responses) and a true believer in every morsel of gay apologia ever to flow from the pen of John Boswell. Ben fawned all over him trying to turn him into a cyber-ally against all the Bible-believing meanies — and the Magic 8 Ball flicked him off like a booger because Ben is an atheist!One of the weirdest interludes I’ve ever seen around here. March 1, 2019 at 2:40 pm Stop trying to silence disagreement, OttoExcrement. You failed, you wimp. Blocked Elagablus-Spuddie-Ben-patrick. Apparently, “justice; liberty; and security” have neither meaning nor value to you. Same person is my impression. The entire world awaits your explanation of where rights, and thus laws, come from.A non-frightened secure man should be able to answer that simple question without all this sturm und drang, insuations, name-calling, and BS.https://disqus.com/home/discussion/joemygod/tennessee_gop_bill_would_amend_state_constitution_to_declare_that_god_is_the_source_of_all_libert_23/#comment-4350994115So, why can’t the Constitution be amended to ban same sex marriage?You have no answer.You NEVER have answers. March 5, 2019 at 6:22 pm That’s a harsh way to characterize your fellow TribLibs. True, but harsh. March 1, 2019 at 11:27 am Your March word is “sockpuppet”, Vladonald Trumputin? Spuddie says: TS (unami) says: https://disqus.com/home/discussion/religionnews/were_in_this_to_the_end_lgbtq_united_methodists_express_hurt_hope_after_general_conference/#comment-4361453006 March 2, 2019 at 3:32 pm March 1, 2019 at 5:13 pm Really? Seriously? That’s why you have so many identities? It’s all our fault? You’re such a pierre.Here’s a simple way out of this. Swear on the holy name of Jesus and on the Bible that there is only just you, and that the man or woman posting as Mark Connelly has never, ever posted anything on these pages as Jose Carioca, Bob Arnzen, Robert Arnzen, or any of the other identities that we all believe are emanating from the same person.It should be simple. you yourself informed me just a few weeks that there is nothing in the bible that forbids swearing such an oath. Spuddie says: Dinner church movement sets the table for food, faith and friendships August 29, 2019 I sometimes wonder that some sit behind a computer and think, “let’s see now, how can I make Christians look as mean, ignorant, blind and misguided as possible?” The holy hypocrites are why 40% of all homeless children in America are LGBTQ. March 2, 2019 at 3:09 pm March 1, 2019 at 4:16 pm The Deity doesn’t “exist” for you anywhere, so it’s unsurprising that you don’t find Him anywhere outside of the Bible – but telling that you do find Him there. That’s one of the reasons the Bible exists – to bring people news they won’t find in other places or on their own. March 3, 2019 at 8:42 am No deflection. My kid tried Christianity for over 2 years and ultimately it due to the hatred he witnessed. If my kid would choose to return to Christianity I would naturally be concerned that it would inflict self-hatred. Regardless I would support my kid’s choice.As for deflection; you never answeref: what you would do if one of your grandchildren (or any close kin) would come out as LGBTIQ. Share This! March 1, 2019 at 1:14 pm March 1, 2019 at 4:39 pm Bill Paca says: Art says: Shawnie5 says: You apparently prefer being fundamentally in error and unwilling to defend those errors. March 1, 2019 at 3:08 pm Ben in Oakland says: Ben in Oakland says: March 2, 2019 at 3:28 pm Preston says: “Get bent, troll.”Looking for company? Irrelevant to this discussion. March 1, 2019 at 9:23 am JD says: Be careful who you hate. It might be someone you love. Interesting that you call the One Church Plan totalitarian when the Traditionalist Plan seeks to give more power to a centralized government in order to impose its views on regional and local members. If that’s not totalitarian, what is? March 2, 2019 at 11:10 pm March 6, 2019 at 5:14 am Let’s see, one “dearie” and one “honey” … you’re not hitting on him, are you? Share This! I told you I don’t suffer fools gladly. The New Testament says to call no man fool . This is related to the scripture not to judge others unrighteously without first repenting of our own sins, so that we can be merciful as well as just. The New Testament contains a few scriptures about “unnatural affections” in the last days. Within the whole context of the whole Bible, this includes acting on LGBTQ desires and impulses, women being “cougars”, pedophilia, and pornography addiction.I don’t need the aggravation in my life of dealing with ignoramuses who cherry pick the scriptures which suit their own agenda. March 1, 2019 at 5:09 pm It would appear that they measure “fairness, truthfulness or kindness” by Scriptural standards rather than your standards. Shawnie5 says: Bill Paca says: Someplace else where you continually fail, but tell yourselves you’re still better than other people. Funny how it works for you, innit? March 3, 2019 at 12:13 am JD says: March 1, 2019 at 8:09 am March 1, 2019 at 5:06 pm I don’t see where Jesus had specific commandments for baptism. However if the problem is a matter of jurisprudence within the denomination, that’s for the UMC to sort anad address. Is there evidence for the “traditionalists UMC members” supporting polygamy in Africa?Again, there might be doctrinal requirements within the denomination, and if there are violations then I agree that the judicial council or the council of bishops need to intervene. The last point I also do not see any basis or evidence for. Sandi in EL says: March 3, 2019 at 2:19 pm Brian Curtis says: Shame on you for calling your LGBTQ Christian Brothers and Sisters “enemies”!! OttoZeit says: March 1, 2019 at 7:54 pm Disdain for LGBT people is the defining characteristic for those who want to insist that Genesis is an accurate account of earth’s origins. Fewer and fewer people really, really, really believe this anymore, even though many churches insist that members must pretend that they do. It’s a default to personal dishonesty to hang around such places, always hoping that the core doctrines in people’s minds and hearts are better and kinder and more sensible than they look on paper in the Books. I’m for people having the “religious freedom” to either make their churches tell objective truth—–or—–bail out and stop supporting the perpetuation of baloney.As for polygamy, I think it hurts people. As for divorce, I think it always involves hurt too. I would exhort against both of those, merely from the standpoint of hoping/wishing for myself or others to not get trapped in either being hurt or hurting someone else. March 2, 2019 at 3:40 pm D.M.S. says: March 5, 2019 at 7:42 pm Art says: Point of curiosity: are you still clinging to the “Russian Collusion” fantasy? Mark Connelly says: Rick Brant says: March 1, 2019 at 12:20 pm March 1, 2019 at 10:46 am Accurately, disdain for sinful behavior.“Love me, love my sins” is not part of any religion I am aware of. March 1, 2019 at 11:42 am So many words, so little sense to read among them all. March 2, 2019 at 12:28 pm Mark Connelly says: I will pray for you too if you want. Shush, Mark-Bob. I don’t want to block him, myself. I have never blocked anyone, though I have certainly wanted to a few times.He responds obsessively to almost everything I write. For me, it is a source of enjoyment to see how much he obsesses over me, which is a good indication of (I think) how dangerous I appear to be to him. I’m sure he has a file of every “controversial” comment I have made, given how quickly he has a citation for stuff going back several years.One identity, B-P, shows up suddenly, and already has a quote form me two months old, despite having only 77 comments when I checked. I also love it that it takes not very long for him to reveal that his latest identity is yet another attempt to appear in the majority, to have a great big voice of intelligent people that agree with him, because he is the smartest guy in the roomsuch insecurity is simply adorable. “One of the best incentives for NOT becoming a Christian is that I will be required to make a choice/choices.” I make choices all of the time. I choose not to be dishonest, greedy, selfish, dangerous, mean, nasty (well, mostly, but I’m human), thieving, prejudiced, violent, and a host of other ills.If and when I come face to face with the love of Christ, that will be sufficient to me to decide ON THE SPOT that I was wrong in this life. But the threats and hypocrisy in this life are not going to convince me of anything.My interest in these in house dysfunctions lies primarily in one area, though the dominionist tendencies of conservative religion are also a great concern: the status of gay people in the world, and how deeply that is affected by the bigotry which so often hides behind religious belief. You can read seven seven posts, bob arnzens posts, HPO’s post, floydlees posts, and then tell me AFTER that that religion isn’t a problem. Fortunately, the anti-Semites who used to post regularly on these pages were kicked off, but they also his behind religious belief.I have no intention of fixing you, or even trying. I might be able to reach a few people who can see what lying hypocrisy lies behind this issue, as well as the attacks on women, the attacks on Christians by Christians, and all of the rest of the hatred and despite that hide behind faith.but if you people– I include you because of your sin levelling– cannot and will not fix yourselves BEFORE you attack others, something YOUR lord and savior commanded, there is nothing I can do except to stand against you.Not your faith, not religion in general, but YOU. I have no argument with people who live their faithful lives, and do not use their faith as a weapon against others, despite the slanders of some of these various posters. But the days are long past, at least in the civilized world– Hi, shawnie– where we gay people, and our heterosexual allies, as the Methodist vote so clearly demonstratesm will just sit back and allow it. If you don’t flag him Ben, I will. Ben in Oakland says: March 1, 2019 at 8:11 am March 2, 2019 at 8:45 am March 1, 2019 at 8:14 am Ben in Oakland says: Not sure why you’re interested in what my wife and I do in the privacy of our own bedroom but whatever. Takes all kinds to make a world I guess March 1, 2019 at 5:16 pm Someone else correctly called it “Backup Philosophy”.You start with where you want to arrive, and backup into a philosophy to supposedly get there.Petulant Ben is a classic example. Rick Brant says: February 28, 2019 at 9:23 pm OttoZeit says: Elagabalus, is that you?patrick? JD says: Ben in Oakland says: Art says: March 2, 2019 at 3:44 pm Your theology is Calvinist… So you’re a Calvinist. Wrong.Matthew 19:9: “I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR IMMORALITY, and marries another woman, commits adultery.”Next time you should try actually reading the Biblical passages you refer to. That’s bass ackwards, sport. floydlee says: Almost all “conservatives” are making this their signature issue in all versions of monotheistic religion and worldwide. They are all devoted to retaining scriptural falsehoods in the origins. That’s what they think they are “conserving”. Never mind fairness, truthfulness or kindness. They think they will be “Godly” if only they find someone else to “stand against”. March 2, 2019 at 9:53 am March 1, 2019 at 2:17 pm Not a deflection, but just the fact. And if you’re going to tell me what I believe about Christianity, and Christians in general, then there’s really no point in continuing this conversation. I’ve stated my opinion is many times. Perhaps you should read them March 1, 2019 at 3:20 pm I posted earlier that I hoped that those in the lgbt community would stay rather than leave and continue to have honest dialogues. However at present with the tone of language I do see a probable split next year. What I’m interested in1) What exit plan will the UMC have for churches primarily overseas?2) If a church decides to leave is it at the discretion of the pastor or a congregational decision?3) Who will join who or create what in the U.S.? Will the WCA join the Free Methodist church or start their own? Will RMN churches and affiliates join another denomination or create their own?4) What does this mean for the World Methodist Council?5) What does this mean for AME churches that have similar language and are affiliated with the UMC?Pray for level heads and a more honest dialogue instead of being agenda driven. To me the “Do No Harm portion of the general rules of the UMC was not broken because of the passage of a plan but through quarreling which would have occured regardless of whatever plan passed. Furthermore, if the argument is that the church is not operating as it should because of the political agendas from both sides, then fine I secede to that point. However, I see no corruption unless one is saying that the majority of UMC laypeople, pastors, and bishops worldwide are misguided and intentionally harming the church. That I find insulting. March 1, 2019 at 10:36 am March 1, 2019 at 12:35 pm Are sins gays?Explain that one for us. Well, don’t just stop there, dude! What is Pootie-Baby’s reaction to the Methodist Bible-believers unexpectedly knocking out Gay Goliath and his shills? Art says: I’ll take that as you really don’t have a point. March 1, 2019 at 11:20 am February 28, 2019 at 9:07 pm March 2, 2019 at 3:05 pm March 1, 2019 at 3:15 pm Sure. Peace on you. At least you admit your god is homophobic. Ben in Oakland says: One would think you’re used to your posts not counting for anything. March 1, 2019 at 10:11 am March 5, 2019 at 7:44 pm The allowance is only for men to divorce their wives. Wives do not get the same power. The “traditionalists” want to punish gays while protecting divorce and polygamy or blow up the denomination as they leave. Gay Methodists and their allies are loyal to the denomination even when they don’t get their way, and still want to leave room for their heterodox brethren. That should tell us who is truly following Christ. March 5, 2019 at 9:20 pm February 28, 2019 at 8:46 pm Mark Connelly says: March 1, 2019 at 9:09 am Not a denial. Fair enough. No need to read your posts. March 1, 2019 at 8:25 am That’s simply not true. How so?1) As you pointed out earlier in Matt. 19, Jesus talks about divorce and in speaking about the subject refers to marriage. Also references Genesis2) He already stated in the NT that he came to fulfill the law, not abolish it3) He stated that premarital sex is a sin, lust is sinful, as well as adultery. Also stated that unforgiveness and judgmental attitudes are sinful.4) He preached to the Jewsish community of that time. However if he is divine and the truth, would he really change his standards to accommodate people today or not? I don’t believe so. 5) We can have a discussion on slavery as that could be the only argument of society today changing our practices regardless of what Jesus said on the matter. But it seems that Jesus already spoke on what marriage is supposed to be (and did not mention or approve of polygamy).6) Regardless we are called to love and show grace leaving judgement to G-D. However a genuine question I have is that if Jesus specified sin and called on people to sin no more, how are Christians who may disagree with ordination or same sex marriage supposed to handle this with love (while adhering to their beliefs)?7) In terms of sexuality (orientation), yes the bible doesn’t say anything about it. However, acting on those feeling yes the bible does specify how sexuality – hetero (lust, adultery, non-marriage) and homo (same sex relationships) – should go.8) Can also have a discussion on sexuality if you want based on the premise that sexuality from G-D is a gift and what that means for str8 & lgbt folks?9) G-D loves everyone and welcomes EVERYONE to the table (plus no one knows who will end up in heaven for sure – G-D tells us what to do though) but love also includes correction. Mark Connelly says: March 2, 2019 at 11:28 pm Does God approve of polygamy? Yes He does.Is that what itching ears tell you?2 Timothy 4:3. March 5, 2019 at 3:28 pm Goat is NOT friendly and in fact believes the comments are a soapbox for him to utter uncontested “profundities”. No, that’s what the so-called(false) traditionalists have done. “Several Bible scholars have shown solid evidence that…”Without knowing anything about it, that tells me right there that you’re speaking of a controversial and disputed academic *opinion* and not a fact to be argued from.As for Christ’s presumed attitude toward “someone he considered an abomination,” that whole concept is a fabricated abstraction, for two reasons:1) God sees the *practice* as an “abomination,” not the practitioner. In the light of Christ’s mission, he’s just another sinner – i.e., one who has followed his own appetites with dedication and persistence, against the grain of God’s morally ordered universe. 2) Before you make the mistake of claiming to know the mind of Christ – at all, much less in individual cases – consider that Jesus took Judas as his disciple and treated him with the same love he extended to the whole group, right up to the minute Judas took his leave at the last supper. There is nothing left for anyone to stay for in a house this divided. The conservatives there will discover in time that they wrought a bitter fruit by making this their new signature issue. So, you hate gays. Thanks for finally admitting it . March 2, 2019 at 5:38 pm March 2, 2019 at 5:26 pm Mark Connelly says: March 2, 2019 at 3:10 pm What makes absolute nonsense about you is here you are an LGBT Atheist hot & bothered by the church fate of LGBT Theists. You have nothing in common with them: at the end of the day they’re still religious believers and you ain’t in whatever shape and form, sexually or otherwise. All this makes absolute sense, however, only if you are what I’ve called you out on. Face it & self-acknowledge, YOU ARE A SECULAR BIGOT. (Just as my people of faith can be religious bigots against LGBTs outside the church arena, where they don’t belong.) March 2, 2019 at 5:49 pm Indeed they do. It’s called lying about what Scripture is, where it came from and what they would like to use it for. What do you care? Are the English moderator now? All right, because you can’t handle the word “wrong” being used twice, I’ll acquiesce. Next time I’ll use, incorrect. Perhaps false, mistaken, or untrue will work better for you. And since when is using the word “wrong” more than once when stating a differing opinion poor behavior? Never. Don’t be so sensitive. 77So then, Who is “they”?I am not trying to say you are wrong or right. I don’t know your audience.Who is “they”. March 2, 2019 at 6:04 pm March 3, 2019 at 1:06 am March 2, 2019 at 3:05 pm You’ve expressed your opinion of Christian motives, not stated a “fact.” And I’ve already read your many versions of it – but thanks for the invitation anyway. Your demand is “you can only love me by loving my sin; anything less is hatred and despite.” It only works that way within your mental bubble. Just a fyi:All of the following say that homosexuality is perfectly normal:American Medical AssociationAmerican Psychiatric AssociationAmerican Psychological AssociationAmerican Counseling AssociationNational Association of Social WorkersAmerican Academy of PediatricsAmerican Academy of Child and Adolescent PsychiatryChild Welfare League of AmericaAmerican Association of School AdministratorsAmerican Federation of TeachersNational Association of School PsychologistsAmerican Academy of Physician AssistantsNational Education AssociationRoyal College of PhysiciansSociety for the Scientific Study of Sexuality (SSSS)American Association of Sex Educators, Counselors and Therapists (AASECT)World Health OrganizationChinese Society of PsychiatryAmerican Psychoanalytic AssociationBritish Association for Counseling and PsychotherapyUK Council for PsychotherapyAustralian Medical AssociationAustralian Psychological Society Ben in Oakland says: March 1, 2019 at 9:56 am Rick Brant says: Mark Connelly says: Spot on. They were at Nicea for one reason only and that was to settle the issue of Arianism. Constantine did not care at all which side they came down on — he merely wanted the question settled for the sake of church unity. March 1, 2019 at 2:09 pm Mark Connelly says: The same passage they use to bar homosexuals from marriage (Matt 19) has no narrow window for divorce, and is also held up as the proof text for monogamy. “He” was hardly code. “Multiple personality’d?” I was pretty sure there was NO personality. HpO says: TS (unami) says: Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn ReddIt Email Goat finds disagreeing responses distressing. You might try Spuddie instead — she absolutely lives for opportunities to call people who disagree with her liars and… other vulgarities. I’ll take that as a “no” You’re not exactly Venus Lovetrap yourself. March 1, 2019 at 8:10 am March 2, 2019 at 5:55 pm Rick Brant says: TRANSLATION: God hates gays and so do we. D.M.S. says: Shawnie5 says: March 2, 2019 at 5:40 pm We know our ‘ sins ‘ before GOD/JESUS.We Christians who live for Christ Jesus in our lives will never need an atheist to point out anything for us true Christians. TS (unami) says: March 3, 2019 at 1:11 am Dear Mormons,do you know how many hyper Christians think you are a cult? Ben in Oakland says: OttoZeit says: JD says: Mark Connelly says: March 3, 2019 at 12:04 am RidingTheLine says: JD says: Not one sexually active lgb married or not will enter the kingdom of heaven ( GOD).That’s not condemning.That’s telling all that they have to repent of all sexual sins( homosexual and heterosexual) and live a celibate or heterosexual marriage only Christian life. JD says: March 1, 2019 at 11:26 am March 2, 2019 at 5:56 pm Catholic bishops, advocates meet to discuss response to Trump border policies Ron McPherson says: March 4, 2019 at 12:37 am March 1, 2019 at 4:55 pm JD says: March 1, 2019 at 2:42 pm March 1, 2019 at 8:27 am D.M.S. says: Baizuo says: TS (unami) says: floydlee says: March 5, 2019 at 2:40 pm March 2, 2019 at 8:39 am March 1, 2019 at 3:16 pm March 2, 2019 at 6:59 pm March 1, 2019 at 12:28 pm Kiumbi says: Seven Seven says: March 1, 2019 at 3:00 pm Again, you are asserting verbs that I have not used in order to make invalid points. Constantine brought them together, approved who got to be on the Council, and approved their end results. That is “directing,” not “interfering with.” I did not read below the fold. You were already wrong and irrelevant above the fold. March 2, 2019 at 7:07 pm February 28, 2019 at 10:50 pm floydlee says: March 2, 2019 at 3:32 pm All this just because you guys and gals can’t defend your positions and can’t stand to be contradicted. Seven Seven says: HpO says: “Get some help with your homosexual issues before they further erode the quality of your life.”Are you soliciting on-line? March 2, 2019 at 8:55 pm March 3, 2019 at 11:16 pm TS (unami) says: March 3, 2019 at 12:52 am I’m sorry to hear it. I know it can be tough. But you know? 90 years is a good long life to live, and you were there with him to the end. That’s a very good thing. And not to worry! There is always going to be a plentiful supply of idiots. Shawnie5 says: March 1, 2019 at 12:40 pm I’ll take reality, facts and science over a mythology based upon an hodgepodge collection of ancient fragmented texts from highly paranoid and superstitious warring tribal peoples filled with often violent tales of tales of demons, deities and demigods anyday. Of the 613 Laws of Moses, under the New Covenant we are only required to keep the Ten Commandments. The rest of the commandments are found in the Books of the New Testament. In the Old Testament the Israelites were unable to obey all of the 613 Commandments, so that by the time of Jesus Christ’s ministry the Pharisees were the interpreters of the Law of Moses. I don’t appreciate the sarcastic tone of your answer. I study the Bible every day. I am always learning something new. Joyce Meyer has been preaching the gospel for 42 or so years, and said that she is still learning new things when she studies the Bible. Don’t be a smart-arse: it is unbecoming of a disciple of Jesus Christ. March 1, 2019 at 1:41 pm March 2, 2019 at 9:40 pm March 1, 2019 at 3:09 pm March 1, 2019 at 5:43 pm March 4, 2019 at 1:19 pm I do note that (almost) no one cares. Creating a distracting uproar over names is convincing evidence that you are unable to deal with anything he actually says. Get back to me when you have something substantive to say. Otherwise, put a sock in it. March 4, 2019 at 11:26 am You presented me with mythologies and superstitious fantasies. You ignore facts, science and reality. The problem is you. There is nothing more to say until you realize that and grow up.Until then I highly recommend you stay far away from lgbtiq folks; especially youth; less you cause more harm than good. She and Tater. Equals, pretty much. D.M.S. says: ? So what. God’s Word Is True. You hate God, you hate truth, and you must hate people who love God just as you must hate people that express truth. All of this proves you are a destroyer and an enemy. March 2, 2019 at 7:40 am kronzypantz says: March 1, 2019 at 11:14 am Except that no one follows that allowance for divorce. Where divorce is allowed, women are also allowed to divorce, not just men. March 2, 2019 at 5:10 pm Ben in Oakland says: D.M.S. says: TS (unami) says: Oh yes, Heb. 9:27 guarantees that, just like you said, we both get to see God the Judge. And at our advanced ages, WE will be doing that huge appointment SOON. Gonna be face-2-face with God — the God whom you have not only rejected but even sometimes “reviled & slandered” without ANY provocation, in this forum. There’s an anger, way too deep — a spiritual battery acid bubbling.You read the Bible; you said so. You freely confessed, how intensely you studied John 3:16. You even posted why you rejected it — and the reason actually had little to do with gayness, or Internet posters, myself included. Can’t do any Whataboutism on this, Ben.Meanwhile I’ll stop here, except to remind all posters who may be divorced & remarried, NOT to allow gay activists nor atheists (and Ben is both), to shame you into silence. That’s a Gay Goliath tactic. Me, I went voluntarily to senior pastoral leaders for both evaluation and verdict, and was found that my situation did meet one of the Jesus / Paul exemptions. But situations vary, so here’s some valuable brief Bible info, to sort things out. https://carm.org/what-does-the-bible-teach-about-divorce How often do you “not act” on being a Heterosexual? Listen to yourself. You are who you are. March 2, 2019 at 3:49 pm March 2, 2019 at 10:34 pm You’re halfway there. Now wake up and abandon it altogether and join the real world . News Got it. Real history is a “myth” and your made up “history” is “real.” I’m sorry but I’m going to take facts and reality over fantasies any day. And that includes the fantasy of Christianity March 2, 2019 at 7:49 pm I did, but thank you. not that RNS pays the slightest attention to this. D.M.S. says: TS (unami) says: March 1, 2019 at 5:55 pm It’s almost as if he thinks he was “chosen” to play this role 😉 Yeah – I’m sure you can “see” your own opinions very clearly.Now, step two: learn to distinguish those from actual “facts.” Seven Seven says: Ron McPherson says: D.M.S. says: March 2, 2019 at 11:26 pm March 1, 2019 at 5:00 pm Ben in Oakland says: Spuddie says: March 3, 2019 at 10:19 am March 1, 2019 at 12:25 pm If you consider the cited post “a coherent argument”, I can understand your problem. Ron McPherson says: You rather bring it upon your own head.You choose to show up where people with religious beliefs are discussing the religious news presented, attack them, their beliefs, and their churches, and then cry “Pooh me! I am beset upon by those nasty believers in their particular versions of god!”That takes real chutzpah. March 4, 2019 at 7:56 pm We true Christians don’t accept sin just as God/Jesus doesn’t accept a persons sins.Do your true Christians accept any sin.We True Christians condemn the same sins that God/Jesus condemn.Do your true Christian condemn the same sins that God/Jesus condemn? TS (unami) says: Ben in Oakland says: Not all of them do.But your “authorities” are strange indeed.For example, what possible expertise could the American Federation of Teachers – a labor union – offer as to the “normality” of same sex carnal knowledge?I mean, they seem to have trouble just teaching people their native language, English. Mark Connelly says: TS (unami) says: March 4, 2019 at 11:45 pm And you’re Vladonald Trumputin. TS (unami) says: Maybe it will be enforced eventually, and the traditionalists will be held to account for re-baptizing adults, supporting polygamy in Africa, failing to faithfully administer the Eucharist, and supporting un-sanctioned caucus groups that assist in lawsuits against the denomination for its property. Seven Seven says: Shawnie5 says: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o2Fty9TOnzU/XEeQt6LwZsI/AAAAAAAAWqE/jZ9nA3H12l4KrkE6YruT5jVdq3qbvQNBQCEwYBhgL/s1600/News%2BTeams%252C%2BStart%2BYour%2BInjuns%2B1.jpg “Stop trying to silence disagreement…”That’s your schtick. So cut it out already. March 3, 2019 at 2:46 pm March 1, 2019 at 12:14 pm Ben in Oakland says: March 1, 2019 at 3:02 pm Mark Connelly says: Mark Connelly says: March 5, 2019 at 11:43 pm JP says: JD says: Don’t forget Utah Dixie, Jose Carioca, DR, Draco, and a few others.He is such a Pierre! I just read what is Calvinist beliefs.I don’t believe that way. Hello YEM,There is actually supposed to be a comma between those two.The complete list of adverbs may find hope and transformation. I can attest personally.“Some of you used to be like that. But now the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and the power of God’s Spirit have washed you and made you holy and acceptable to God.” (I Corinthians 6:11) (9-11) Oh, you mean how some use an hodgepodge collection of ancient fragmented texts from highly paranoid and superstitious warring tribal peoples filled with often violent tales of tales of demons, deities and demigods? Yeah, I can see that. March 5, 2019 at 10:44 am March 1, 2019 at 1:21 pm Mark Connelly says: Not to mention his technique is not very good if his opponents are armed and ready.Apparently he’s used to making strafing runs and flying away. D.M.S. says: You three are amusing, you probably share an apartment.Which of you is:https://disqus.com/by/vladonaldtrumputin/? D.M.S. says: https://disqus.com/home/discussion/religionnews/were_in_this_to_the_end_lgbtq_united_methodists_express_hurt_hope_after_general_conference/#comment-4359601547No denial. Fair enough. No need to read your posts. March 5, 2019 at 7:17 pm Mark Connelly says: Spuddie says: You said it:https://disqus.com/home/discussion/religionnews/were_in_this_to_the_end_lgbtq_united_methodists_express_hurt_hope_after_general_conference/#comment-4361621603not me. If you think some are*destined* to hell and unable to be saved, then you’re a Calvinist. Don’t spout the rantings of your false profit at me, D.M.S. The one true god tells us, as you should well know, in 17 Hedrix 9:58 ” Lo, and Lord Zardlar smote the false prophets with his mighty rod of Alisha. And they were put asunder with a rain of fire, glitter and denim skirts.” Your blasphemy has been noted by the one true god, Lord Zardlar. May Lord Zardlar, the one true god we all obviously worship have mercy on your carapace while dictating the actions of all of our lives. Hail Zardlar! Rick Brant says: March 1, 2019 at 9:18 am JD says: TS (unami) says: You sound like one when you condemn others. HpO says: Ben in Oakland says: Didn’t think you could defend it. How sad.What’s a troll but an apostate hater shouting foolishness through the keyhole of the Methodist Church door? I’m an actual Methodist, so you can feel free to go away. How can the traditionalists be following God’s word if they allow divorce, polygamy, and women’s ordination? They make themselves hypocrites. You’ll “pray” or me?To whom — and for what?To “get bent?” No thanks. Mark Connelly says: Shawnie5 says: Art says: March 1, 2019 at 5:57 pm Apparently, Calvanists (Presbyterians) made great soldiers as they had this ‘preordained’ view to their possible death in battle. March 1, 2019 at 5:16 pm When you think that you are a deity, or that the deity is your BFFF, then you can also call the shots.Am I blocked yet? March 1, 2019 at 4:23 pm We True Christians can’t do that God/Jesus told us to go and be fruitful and replenish the earth. You have a kindergarten cartoon view of what Christians believe…and how. The only “fact” pertinent to this discussion is that I take mythology for what its is, a way of explaining things that are beyond our comprehension in terms we can understand — in the words of Denis DeRougemont, “a myth is a story that describes and illustrates, in dramatized form, the deep structures of Reality.” That Reality necessarily outcrops into the “factual” world, but it also and obviously goes way beyond facts per se. The topic is evidently bigger than you’re prepared to grapple with. March 1, 2019 at 6:51 pm Art says: March 3, 2019 at 2:00 am JD says: March 3, 2019 at 8:47 am FriendlyGoat says: D.M.S. says: Glenn Harrell says: Sure.As soon as you quit using mythology as facts. Art says: D.M.S. says: Mark Connelly says: OttoZeit says: March 3, 2019 at 10:39 pm March 3, 2019 at 11:48 am Art says: February 28, 2019 at 9:52 pm Obviously, you HAVEN’T read what I have had to say. It’s one thing to believe that I am committting some sort of sin against your god. Have at it. I disagree, I don’t think it is justified by your scripture. It is quite another to try to restrict my participation in society because of it, and to justify that by telling fact free lies and calling me a threat to society because— oh noes!!!!— my means of expressing love, sex, romance, family, and connection offends your particular version of god. Especially when you seem to have no real issue with people who reject the entirety of your religious beliefs, not just the little itty bitty ANTIGAY part.It’s not an opinion, it’s an observed set of facts. TS (unami) says: Ben in Oakland says: March 4, 2019 at 7:27 pm Ben in Oakland says: Only in your imagination. You need to feel persecuted to feel superior. That much is obvious from your good buddy MultiplePersonalitirs. As I have said many times, if fundamentalist and hyper conservative Christians would stop trying to tell other people how to live their lives, and stop using the government to do it, and stop demanding exceptions to the laws that govern everyone else, you would be surprised at just how little attention anyone would pay to you. And how do I know this? Because I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with liberal Christians, or even with conservative Christians, who don’t use their religion as a club.But then you couldn’t pretend you are hated for your religious beliefs, which would mean you are not Jesus’s BFFF, which means you are not particularly special. And we can’t have that. Wonder no longer — just scan the RNS comment boards on almost any article. Mark Connelly says: March 3, 2019 at 11:18 am They are not basing their opinions on any facts. Actually its a mental illness and to engage in it leads to serious health issues and death. Just look at the CDC stats on homosexuality. Rick Brant says: March 4, 2019 at 3:29 pm No one is born gay. That is nonsense. Mark Connelly says: March 2, 2019 at 10:31 pm kronzypantz says: Art says: March 4, 2019 at 12:18 am March 1, 2019 at 3:35 pm D.M.S. says: Mark Connelly says: March 1, 2019 at 9:27 am March 1, 2019 at 3:09 pm March 1, 2019 at 12:26 pm JD says: Shawnie5 says: March 1, 2019 at 4:06 pm Rick Brant says: You’d almost think it was a parody account. You said,“ALL of them, no matter how difficult this may be.” So…You never wear mixed fiber clothing?Do you stone to death disobedient sons? Do you stone to death a woman who wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night? Do you force another woman to marry her rapist? Do you stone to death anyone who works on the Sabbath?After all, you *did* say “ALL of them, no matter how difficult this may be.” March 1, 2019 at 1:38 pm No we don’t.GOD chooses us. No, I don’t have it all arranged, because I don’t believe a word of it.But I do believe that Jesus is a reflection of the people who believe in him. Thus, your Jesus is the vengeful one who is terribly upset that some people don’t buy the story, and can’t wait to assign them to an eternity of suffering, because he so loved the world so very much and the bad world doesn’t believe that. Kinda of like you.My Jesus, if I gave the story any credence whatsoever, would reflect me. He would say, “yeah, I know there are a huge number of terrible exemplars of my followers, like Floyd and bob and sandi and the grand inquisitors and the child molesting priests and the money grubbing televangelists. I don’t really know what do do about them because despite all of my words to them, their free will always chose to make me look just like them. But now that I have shown you my glory and what it’s all about, what do you think? do you want to go do heaven?”Kinda like me.But it doesn’t really matter, because YOUR Jesus would judge you for your divorce and your constant judging of others, your reviling and slander, your bearing false witness, and so forth, just as surely as he will judge me for being as he made me. So when I end up in hell, sent their by your just, moral, and loving god, I’m sure I’ll see you on the next Barbie over. “Did I not perform miracles….” and Jesus will say, “get away from me.” HpO says: March 1, 2019 at 4:12 pm Correct translation: God hates sin, and so do we. TS (unami) says: March 1, 2019 at 11:23 am Baizuo says: You haven’t yet March 2, 2019 at 7:18 pm March 1, 2019 at 8:09 pm I’ve read the scriptures thoroughly. Are you not aware of the Patriarchs and their marital scenarios? D.M.S. says: Bill Paca says: Jim Johnson says: OttoZeit says: I am praying for YOU. Prayer does nothing for me. 😀 March 1, 2019 at 9:26 pm March 5, 2019 at 11:54 pm Does GOD in the book of Leviticus ( 18:22 & 20:13 )condemn the sexual acts of homosexuality? Preston says: We understand your problems, Art-Mark-Bob. I am not sure of what you are trying to tell me, so I didn’t block you without giving you the opportunity to explain yourself more fully.I have blocked Spuddle and you are welcome to read my reply below. March 2, 2019 at 3:38 pm TS (unami) says: March 2, 2019 at 5:43 am March 2, 2019 at 3:59 pm It is like shooting fish in a barrel.With 35,000 plus posts he’s pretty well committed and documented supporting some of the zaniest positions known to man.It’s like Spuddie with a larger vocabulary. Ken Campbell says: March 4, 2019 at 1:33 pm Ben in Oakland says: kronzypantz says: Actually, homophobia is now considered a mental illness. Perhaps you want to seek help for your infliction. I think it’s hilarious how intimidated they all are by him. March 2, 2019 at 3:33 pm March 1, 2019 at 8:11 am Ben in Oakland says: March 1, 2019 at 11:28 am March 2, 2019 at 3:32 pm March 5, 2019 at 6:54 am That’s not what I read.That must be your interpretation. Explain this then.I was an atheist for 25 years, became a Christian for 8 years.Lived a life as an alcoholic sinner for 20+ years and came back to our Lord Christ Jesus a little over 5 years ago.Today and for the rest of my life I will be sola scriptura only. D.M.S. says: March 3, 2019 at 2:46 pm February 28, 2019 at 7:02 pm Lovely religion they have, yes? March 5, 2019 at 10:22 am Mark Connelly says: March 4, 2019 at 6:48 pm March 1, 2019 at 11:44 am That is one of the several misconceptions of the bible and Christianity. Neither are based in reality. Hell, the bible says bats are birds and there literally are people that serious believe that. I am sorry that you cannot accept real facts, science and reality. It just makes you look like a fool and an oppressor when you try to push your paranoid superstitious mythologies upon others who didn’t ask for it. Once you wake up and join the real world then perhaps you’ll see the harm that you are actually causing. kronzypantz says: D.M.S. says: March 2, 2019 at 11:10 pm March 1, 2019 at 3:17 pm February 28, 2019 at 11:02 pm You actually buy that centurion nonsense? LOL! Ben in Oakland says: Internet job opportunities are increasingly becoming a trend in all over world these days. The latest research indicates more than 78% of the people are working in on line work from home without the complications. The Online world is thriving continuously and therefore people are having an ocean of make money online opportunities over the internet to earn money from home. Everybody really wants to spend time every day with his/her mates by going any attractive place in the world. 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I will assume you are a Christ follower, Methodist or not.Christians understand the role of accountability.1-To God –to love the people of this world (outsiders-non-Christians) Only God judges those who reject His Son2-To Love Jesus Christ–keep His commandments and follow His teachings. Christians must judge one another.There is no blur here until either are ignored or denied.Some of the church (people within) today is often guilty of expecting non-Christians to ACT like biblical Christians just to satisfy their fancy and fantasy–or prejudice–then judging them for “behavior unbecoming” or some other nonsense.While at the same time Christians are refusing to hold one another within the Church (professing believers) accountable to the doctrines of our own faith and the resulting behaviors commensurate.There is no such thing as an “Adulterous Christian” for example–only a professing Christian hoping to justify wrong behavior and have the church stamp “Approved” on it for salve of conscience.The world will go on as it always has but the church must decide daily who she is and whose she is.The church must never judge those who refuse Christ and remain lost–they will love.The church must judge its own. (I Corinthians 5:9-13) March 2, 2019 at 9:58 pm Mark Connelly says: No. Constantine facilitated the Council by providing transportation and housing for the Church’s Bishops, but he did not dierect thei actual deliberations and decisions. And the fact that Nicea had NOTHING to do with the formation of the Biblical canon renders you whole point moot anyway. And a major contributing factor of suicides among LGBTQ kids. March 3, 2019 at 9:13 pm March 4, 2019 at 11:13 pm March 1, 2019 at 3:51 pm March 2, 2019 at 5:41 pm March 2, 2019 at 6:09 pm JD says: Mark Connelly says: March 3, 2019 at 12:41 pm I would expect were Ben to somehow contrive a victory, ala Adolph You Know Who, one of the very next jobs would be a replay of the Night of the Long Knives, also ala Adolph You Know Who, to get rid of those pesky LGBT Theists.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives Mark Connelly says: Only in your paranoid superstition. Mark Connelly says: Spuddie says: You’re a Scriptures expert?Please support your position with one or more citations. Brian, one practical reason for not leaving is that the UMC owns their church property. Depending on what is negotiated, the cost of leaving could be prohibitive for many smaller congregations. Conservatives faced the same problem in parallel-universe PCUSA after they passed their version of the One Church Plan in 2011. A ton of them left, but they also faced a higher price tag than they realized in order to buy back their property from the denomination. Courts have sided with the denoms in property rights disputes.I would bet the clergy understand this already and that is one important factor in wanting to stay, while their congregants may end up pushing more to leave. A very difficult situation for many pastors, bishops and districts in the coming years. It’s easier to cite your prior posts (35,939 at the moment) than lying and slandering. Your own words invariably do the entire job. RidingTheLine says: March 3, 2019 at 11:28 am March 1, 2019 at 5:21 pm March 2, 2019 at 12:19 pm I don’t need their approval, nor would I seek it. I find it interesting that despite the so very clear words in the Bible on divorce, yours was questionable enough to you to have to ask. I also wonder how many of those men were also divorced. March 1, 2019 at 9:51 am My child actually tried Christianity in which I supported. But he couldnt reconcile with the bigotry and hatred he witnessed and left.Oh, just an fyi: I’m straight. My child is intersex and trans. JD says: March 3, 2019 at 11:01 pm I’ve always found it curious that their deity doesn’t exist outside their dook of shadows… March 1, 2019 at 9:30 am Remember there is no such thing as practicing lgbtq Christians.if they don’t practice and professs celibacy they’re ‘ NOT ‘ Christians. March 2, 2019 at 3:39 pm Spuddie says: Like????Religious fundamentalism???Disregard for the lives of others???Terrorism???https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/20/us/christopher-hasson-coast-guard.htmlGet bent, Loser. It is a sure tip-off that someone is gullible and sources their “exegesis” from the far fringes. Ben in Oakland says: FriendlyGoat says: Bill Paca says: JD says: Indeed.It is acting on it that is the sin. Hard to blame them, after what gay Priests have done to the Catholic Church. Holy, Holy, Holy GOD….. https://www.amazon.com/English-Made-Easy-One-Approach/dp/0804845247/ref=sr_1_16?crid=FZTW8OQ1PVTK&keywords=learn+english+books+for+adults&qid=1551566383&s=gateway&sprefix=learn+english%2Caps%2C316&sr=8-16 For years, there have been those who have ignored scripture and The Book of Discipline. They will continue this path just as the article states. Why? Because they can. They weren’t stopped before and they aren’t going to stop now. Those who oppose the vote know that there will be no action taken against them. This vote is paper only. Ben in Oakland says: March 4, 2019 at 9:49 am Translation: don’t allow me to point out your hypocrisy and sins, all of you scribes, Pharisees and hypocrites. Only hyper conservative Christians get to comment about those sorts of things. March 2, 2019 at 3:09 pm March 4, 2019 at 11:24 am “Then why do I constantly have Christians of a certain sort telling me as an unbeliever exactly what I need to do, and how many laws they are willing pass to make sure that I conform to their theology, and how many lies they are willing to tell to support it?”The most significant cause for Christians talking to you at all is that you show up in a conversation, or commenting on an item of religious news, with guns blazing in denigration of religion, of believers in religion, and of their lawful aspirations for the society in which they live.The items on your wish list that you have not been granted is the power to make a religious believer do your bidding in facilitation of your personal beliefs, and that is not from a lack of trying by states like Colorado; the ability to somehow reach into their denominations, mosques and synagogues and compel them to change their beliefs to suit you.As to “… how many lies they are willing to tell to support it?”, the unvarnished malarkey in support of the LGBT wish list has no equal.You apparently like laws which conform to “their theology” when they protect you from stealing and murder.What you appear to be engaged in is posing. By: Emily McFarlan Miller emmillerwrites Meanhile, turning your personal attitudes into a universal moral standard that condemns your ideological opponents is your higher calling. I gather you’ve been at it for a while, as your technique is well practiced and reflexively applied. Mark Connelly says: March 3, 2019 at 10:08 am March 4, 2019 at 11:29 am March 3, 2019 at 2:19 pm March 2, 2019 at 5:26 pm Jesus calls them liars, brood of vipers, wolves in sheeps clothing. Jesus says he comes not to unite, but to divide. If you deny what I’m writing either you are naive or a liar. Ted Mccartin says: JD says: March 1, 2019 at 7:48 pm The UMC uses Bibles based on sound manuscript scholarship. They have not invented one of their own.Constantine had little to do with the composition of the Bible. That is just a silly modern myth. It is historically groundless, though oft repeated by modern atheists on the internet. D.M.S. says: Ben in Oakland says: March 1, 2019 at 10:18 pm D.M.S. says: March 1, 2019 at 12:07 pm March 2, 2019 at 3:44 pm March 2, 2019 at 10:19 pm And you are?https://disqus.com/home/discussion/religionnews/were_in_this_to_the_end_lgbtq_united_methodists_express_hurt_hope_after_general_conference/#comment-4359115129 “I don’t have to face anything of the sort. You’re simply wrong. Here isthe whole matter of it, and I really don’t give too much of a smallgoddamn if you don’t believe it.”Apparently you give a huge goddam based on the number of your posts and their ferocity against religion, believers, and so on. Shawnie5 says: March 5, 2019 at 11:38 pm FreedomRightsParticipationYou are in the right country–but wrong blog as far as I can tell.FREEDOMFirst, Jesus and Christianity have their own slant on freedom and it is not the same as for non-Christians. Easy to get them mixed or as we discussed,—Christians too often expect non-Christians to live by their book, the bible(and or some odd version they make up)–“For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.” (Galatians 5:1) Christians inherit numerous restrictions upon their perceived freedom.Christians are actually not their own. We were bought/purchased. “Don’t be immoral in matters of sex. That is a sin against your own body in a way that no other sin is. You surely know that your body is a temple where the Holy Spirit lives. The Spirit is in you and is a gift from God. You are no longer your own. God paid a great price for you. So use your body to honor God.” (I Cor. 6:19-20)–Non-Christians often want Christians to debunk and deny the scriptures just as they often do. (Many Christians I dare say only know of the bible what someone told them.)RIGHTSIn our wonderful country, my rights include having a voice.I can agree and or disagree with the politics of the day. Then I have the right to vote.I can vote my opinion and I do. When I vote, I often find myself on the other side of a new fence with my neighbor. We still talk, but with an awareness that we have a divide. We must decide if we will be civil, respecting the rights of each other that demonstrate our differences. This is true of me with SSM and Abortion.PARTICIPATIONEven blogs like this are such a refreshing idea.This Methodist Is blog is about how Christians differ concerning matters of sexual expression as instructed by the scriptures. I detest how Christians of all varieties place a legalistic shame and demand upon professing non-Christians and I am sorry for how many professing to know Him have treated you and others who have chosen to disagree with the bible and those who claim Christ. This is why I asked you if you were a Christian or not. I do not attend the Lions Club meetings because I am not a Lion. I would resent them if they tried to force me to act and live by their codes (as morally upright and noble as they may be) Non-Christians surely resent Christians attempting to force their beliefs/bible on them as if doing so will create anything more than war. (See the Blue Laws)May Freedom, Rights and Participation continue to be ours in this excellent pluralistic nation.May your right to differ from me, even mock and bully me if you choose, (not that you would) always be a right. I am curious if you know this man? Joe Dallashttps://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSn6RA9hvQeA%3A43S-9Budl1wBS233Z29hJOwmwkY&cuid=4022104 March 2, 2019 at 6:52 pm I’ve never read the scripture that states that GOD does.Have you? Spuddie says: You do .recognize” our boy Art, don’t you? March 3, 2019 at 12:13 am Mark Connelly says: It was a long time ago. But you can just imagine how petulant Ben was, telling Darr that he “needed to learn who his friends were.” HUNDREDS of wives, concubines and slave girls.Show us the exact verses where GOD tells David *not* to engage in polygamy. JP says: Art says: March 1, 2019 at 5:07 pm March 1, 2019 at 1:44 pm March 5, 2019 at 10:10 am I am not a troll just because you don’t like what I say. We are commanded not to revile against the revilers, so I won’t make any further comment, before I say something unGodly which I will regret. I don’t suffer fools gladly, so I will allow you to wallow in your ignorance and spiritual filthiness. By the way, why are you attacking me just because you disagree with Mark Connelly. If he is not worth responding to, why are you responding to me? You are illogical. OttoZeit says: OttoZeit says: floydlee says: Kneejerk LGBT propagandist. March 3, 2019 at 12:06 pm I have blocked him, and it’s so much more peaceful. Shawnie5 says: I disagree, “sport”. Obviously. No. I mean “Christian love” that is often indistinguishable from despite or hate, and certainly not founded in compassion and inderstanding. Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn ReddIt Email March 4, 2019 at 7:28 pm Will you ever tell anyone what you think the basis for rights and laws are beyond what you like? March 2, 2019 at 8:42 am March 1, 2019 at 11:28 am March 1, 2019 at 9:00 pm March 1, 2019 at 3:55 pm OttoZeit says: How about “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”This means that you can call Genesis the “Word of God” if you wish, and claim that God, not men, wrote it——-but——in the United States of America you cannot foist your belief about than upon other people in matters of public policy or upon anyone else for ANY purpose period. Likewise, the Jews and the Muslims may not insist on their particular source material being considered either in the formation of public policy in this country. You or they can run around calling other people sinners (per Scripture) all you wish, but don’t be surprised when some of them react negatively at you for your derision of them.Consider this. Can you IMAGINE the response you would receive from the American corporations in the clothing business if you accused them of being Sin Promoters for offering clothes containing two kinds of material? Or the response you would receive from the corporations in the food industry if you accuse them of being Sin Promoters for mixing meat and dairy, or for serving pork? You don’t attempt stunts like that because you know they are ridiculous and would cause you to be considered a nutcase. It is just as ridiculous to knock ILGBT people, and yet, conservatives think it is their right and duty to do this every day. It is neither. March 1, 2019 at 4:59 pm JD says: floydlee says: Here ya go.FYI: It is estimated that one in every 1,200 – 2000 are born intersex. Gender and gender orientation was never set in stone.Free you mind. March 2, 2019 at 11:50 pm Ben in Oakland says: Ben in Oakland says: Ted Mccartin says: RidingTheLine says: Did GOD/JESUS give captive virgin girls to David? March 1, 2019 at 12:36 pm Ted Mccartin says: The secular conservative ego uses their wealth and social status to feel superior. The religious conservative ego uses their church. When threatened, the ego usually just doubles-down than admit it’s wrong, or worse, surrender some of its status. March 1, 2019 at 4:19 pm March 2, 2019 at 5:53 pm Check what they have to say about anal. kronzypantz says: RidingTheLine says: JD says: Well, that was a short conversation. Do you make sure that the lgbt in your congregation knows that from your sermons? JD says: March 3, 2019 at 2:15 pm March 1, 2019 at 2:38 pm How do you expect me to “explain” someone else’s life? Can you do that? Are you not only one person? March 1, 2019 at 12:21 pm Who is “he”? D.M.S. says: March 5, 2019 at 1:23 am March 3, 2019 at 10:27 pm Ted Mccartin says: Will you ever, ever be honest with your multiple identities? Ron McPherson says: Bill Paca says: JD says: Ron McPherson says: TS (unami) says: God hates sin.It doesn’t go higher than that. March 3, 2019 at 12:15 pm March 2, 2019 at 9:55 am TS (unami) says: March 2, 2019 at 3:29 pm March 2, 2019 at 3:03 pm March 3, 2019 at 12:18 am Well, if you’re taking your scripts from my insights now, so much the better. But it’s time to recognize this whole line of dialogue as a pointless bandying of abstract fantasies, devoid of any connection to the real world. Absent a real “conversion,” your kid is not going to repudiate your worldview, and mine aren’t going apostate. Meanwhile, my statements on “mythology,” and the ancient/modern timelessness of scripture stand. Bill Paca says: Ben in Oakland says: March 2, 2019 at 5:24 pm Cancel replyYou must be logged in to post a comment. March 3, 2019 at 9:55 am May Lord Zardlar, the one true god we all worship, have mercy on your carapace March 5, 2019 at 2:02 pm RidingTheLine says: March 1, 2019 at 5:39 pm Art says: March 2, 2019 at 2:19 pm Seven Seven says: March 4, 2019 at 1:51 am Is “gay homosexual” as opposed to the “straight homosexuals”?I see posts very focused on labeling God’s children as “things” other than beloved. The very first sin in the Garden was eating of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Yet here we are. Too late — my children are already grown up…and quite certain of their “gender identites.” Thanks for the backstory context. It’s not surprising, I guess, that it’s been hashed and rehashed already. Progs are slow to learn from the exposure of their own bankrupt arguments. Still, it doesn’t take much more than average intelligence to recognize RTL’s bogus reasoning on sight. Anti-gay bullying is such a big problem because kids from holy hypocrite homes get taught that violence against LGBTQ is justified in the eyes of God. Just coming out to a bigot is grounds to be physically harmed according to what they are taught in church. Your point…? March 2, 2019 at 5:34 pm I will take your disapproval as the best approval yet. That should cover your “credibility.” Rick Brant says: March 1, 2019 at 12:40 pm March 1, 2019 at 1:55 pm You haven’t got even a clue to what’s really going on in this world.I truly do pity you.Seek Christian counseling soon, it’s your only hope. D.M.S. says: March 5, 2019 at 11:55 am No GOD doesn’t.Please show the scripture where GOD states ( approves ) that man will take multiple wives. March 1, 2019 at 3:14 pm You have been at this long enough to know that many of your insights and views are spot on as they concern Christianity and “church” behaviors.You also know that “sin leveling” as you call it, is not my idea. It is thoroughly biblical.Several times in the bible a list of behaviors is given. The lists are not meant to be exhaustive, rather exemplary.They are not addressed to you as an unbeliever–rather to those who name Christ as their Savior and redeemer.You may resent and even be repulsed by the idea that there are specifics and absolutes leveled at the Christ-disciple that have nothing to do with you, but the facts remain. You may object to the demands that Christ issues to His follows and even resent Christ Himself. If you do, this is normal. If the bible is correct, then according to the bible, the bible should be “foolishness” to you as long as you remain outside of Christ. I personally found this to be true.The Methodist church is struggling with the reality that the bible has also become “foolishness” to many of its clan.If this book is no longer a faithful, unalterable mooring for those in Christ, then Christianity is impotent and no more an influence. Such a statement should give hope to all who feel that Christ and his followers are bigoted, misogynistic, hateful and the like. Get rid of the book and you get more than 48% of future votes–and you “win”. When it means life or death you better well damn know it’s relevant. I would first find out to whom or what she is praying. March 5, 2019 at 1:10 pm D.M.S. says: March 2, 2019 at 3:26 pm March 3, 2019 at 12:45 am March 2, 2019 at 3:53 pm March 3, 2019 at 10:06 pm March 1, 2019 at 11:12 am March 3, 2019 at 10:22 pm March 2, 2019 at 7:45 am March 1, 2019 at 2:34 pm D.M.S. says: Just to give us all an idea of how you speak from knowledge, not cunning deceit, explain for us the exception(s) to the general command against divorce, including their origin(s). Mark Connelly says: March 1, 2019 at 5:54 pm I will try to answer you later. I have a lot to do today. March 5, 2019 at 2:42 pm Did GOD/JESUS ever tell him to not keep captive virgin girls? Or multiple concubines? or multiple wives? You Enjoy Myself says: Nonsense. D.M.S. says: RidingTheLine says: March 1, 2019 at 4:49 pm Ben in Oakland says: March 1, 2019 at 2:06 pm Spuddie says: Mark Connelly says: March 4, 2019 at 7:31 pm Spuddie says: March 1, 2019 at 10:43 am Vladonald Trumputin says: He allows divorce in the case sated above.Pay attention, kronzy. You can do better. Yes and No.What was David to do with these captive virgin women? Bill Paca says: Our Holy,Holy, Holy GOD has just presented David with 100’s of virgin captive girls. David loves GOD and tries to please GOD.What will David do?If can’t figure this out you’re a lot dumber than I thought you could possibly be. I don’t have to face anything of the sort. You’re simply wrong. Here is the whole matter of it, and I really don’t give too much of a small goddamn if you don’t believe it. I thought at one point that you were a person that actually had some values, even though we disagree about religion, about Christianity, and related matters. You, at least, seemed interested in truth, and not using your religion as a club. I am sick to death of you and your coreligionists doing everything in your power to make the lives of gay people as difficult, expensive, unpleasant, unhappy and occasionally deadly as possible. I am sick of beautiful gay kids, their lives in front of them, killing themselves because of the toxicity that you people spew while you’re pretending that you love them. I find the sanctimony and hypocrisy of the lies you tell yourself, and that you tell others as well, to be beyond revolting, as you seek to do whatever you can to limit our participation in society and make our lives miserable as is in your miserable power. The only thing that you accomplish with these lies is to prove that the values of truth, justice, compassion, knowledge, and rational inquiry are simply things that you don’t care about, or have had at best only a passing acquaintance with.. Given that I actually care about families, I’m tired of hearing the stories of gay people who marry straight people in the hopes that they will finally go straight, when they both know that it’s not going to happen; I met far too many of these Fauxmosexuals when I was dating, before I met my husband — often married, usually with kids, and trying desperately to get in whatever they can while the wife is away or at work. Revolting as every other kind of hypocrite, lacking the integrity not only to face who they are, but to face their choices as well. I totally resent that my brother swallowed whole the toxicity you people spew, and hated himself so very much for being what you have taught them is been the worst thing in the world: a homosexual. So much so that he wrecked his life trying to escape it, and ended his life by murder or suicide or both in the Mexican desert.So, buddy, that is why I comment on this. As I have noted many times, but perhaps you missed it, these holier than thou Methodists have no problem with female preachers and no problem with divorce, though they might show a consternipated and wrinkled brow about the latter. They used to have no problem with slavery and owning other human beings, which is why they split nearly 200 years ago the first time. They Simply do not care about the damage they have inflicted On gay people anymore than they cared about owning black people, or they care about the damage that they are inflicting on the church. It is no more a matter of theology and god’s word than it has EVER been — though if it were, you might have a point. But it isn’t and you don’t. It’s all about the prejudice that hides behind god’s word and god’s holiness, as you make your god into a spitting image of your self. Thank you Elagabllus who is Ben who is Spuddie with a better dictionary who is patrick. Rick Brant says: March 3, 2019 at 10:21 pm JD says: March 5, 2019 at 5:13 pm So you all keep telling me, just as you keep insisting that you are True Christians (TM). Other True Christians (TM) disagree. March 1, 2019 at 11:57 am Please show the scripture where GOD tells Abraham and David to not have multiple wives, concubines and slave girls. There isn’t one that I know of.But what is David to do with these virgin captive women given to him from our Holy God/Jesus? JD says: Dearest Ben in Oakland,You’re SELFISH. LGBTistically SELFISH. You’re only in this for your LGBTism, your LGBT rationalization and justification and legitimation, because you’re fully aware you ain’t getting ’em so long as God & Jesus only sanction BINARY HETEROSEXUALITY. And so you find sick pleasure in Religious Family Feuds Over Sexuality between LGBT Theists and Heterosexual Theists. For the Only Endgame you’re really after here is where and when those same God & Jesus finally bless LGBTs & LGBTism. Why? Because that means this Father-and-Son Pair will end up contradicting Themselves, and no longer being true to Themselves, and backing out on all Their Covenants with Israel and the rest of the world. In other words, God & Jesus will finally be seen for the joke that They are, and that Their Non-Existence is, and you shall have The Last Laugh. The Laughter of The LGBT Atheist. BWA-HA-HA x 100!Well, done. Well done, so: Yes, goodbye!HpO Elagabalus says: March 2, 2019 at 5:31 pm RidingTheLine says: March 3, 2019 at 10:55 pm OttoZeit says: March 1, 2019 at 8:16 am JD says: March 2, 2019 at 11:07 pm What would you do if your own child comes out as lgbtqi? Michelle K says: March 4, 2019 at 2:22 pm March 5, 2019 at 9:14 pm March 3, 2019 at 12:27 pm D.M.S. says: (((Daulphin))) says: March 1, 2019 at 8:15 am JD says: How? March 3, 2019 at 11:50 am JD says: March 1, 2019 at 1:38 pm Man, you sure put him in his place. OttoZeit says: JD says: Ted Mccartin says: March 5, 2019 at 3:36 pm March 1, 2019 at 11:26 am March 2, 2019 at 3:47 pm March 2, 2019 at 4:13 pm Ted Mccartin says: D.M.S. says: TS (unami) says: Your child has just come out to you as lgbtiq. What do you do? March 3, 2019 at 12:39 pm March 3, 2019 at 1:22 pm Seven Seven says: Why can’t you answer my question about the captive slave girls that GOD/JESUS presented to David? TS (unami) says: March 2, 2019 at 3:41 pm RidingTheLine says: DMS, come on now…I’ve dealt with you on other channels for quite a long time.YES sir, you DO readily condemn others and on several occasions, you said the most *vile and disgusting* things to me personally. The only reason I see your comments is because I’m a mod on another channel and therefore cannot block anyone. The only reason I’m even responding to you is because (perhaps foolishly) I *hope* that you’ll begin to actually listen and consider carefully, prayerfully and in love what other people who are different, who are *also* made in God’s holy Image, are saying. That’s my hope… but it all depends on how you choose to interact going forward. This is your Second Chance — don’t blow it. And since you can only resort to lame as hominem attacks rather than QUOTE A VERSE where GOD TELLS DAVID to NOT have multiple wives, you are continuing to DODGE… because you can’t quote any scripture where GOD is recorded saying to ANY if the Patriarchs to NOT take all of their multiple wives, concubines and slave girls! March 2, 2019 at 5:55 pm Matt Rhodes Âû says: I’m sorry it has taken me a few days to get back to you. “You have been at this long enough to know that many of your insights and views are spot on as they concern Christianity and “church” behaviors.” Thank you for recognizing that. I wish a few of your fellows on these pages could see it to, but instead, they think I hate religion. I don’t.“You also know that “sin leveling” as you call it, is not my idea. It is thoroughly biblical.” To me sin level,isn’t is not an embrace of morality, but an abandonment of it, plus I think it is absolutely phony. It sounds great— not to me— in the abstract. But I sincerely doubt that you think the theft of a dollar is the equivalent of a murder.“Several times in the bible a list of behaviors is given. The lists are not meant to be exhaustive, rather exemplary.” That reminds me of a line from a children’s book I read once: everything not compulsory is forbidden. It,s also a loophole which allows the people you criticize in your first paragraph to do whatever they want and declare it’s in the Bible. Years ago, when I was in a debate with a hyper Christian woman over an anti-gay, she declared on that basis that oral sex was a sin. A wonderful lady in the front row looked up, continued with her knitting, Demanded, “show me in the Bible where it says anything about oral sex.” The lady responded, “it’s all through the Bible.” Of course, it was an out right lie, because it’s nowhere in the Bible. That’s the kind of loophole that an exemplary list promotes.“They are not addressed to you as an unbeliever–rather to those who name Christ as their Savior and redeemer.” Then why do I constantly have Christian s of a certain sort telling me as an unbeliever exactly what I need to do, and how many laws they are willing pas to make sure that I conform to their theology? Why are they telling other Christians, people who name Christ as their Savior and Redeemer with exactly the same sincerity, certainty. and conviction as do the moralizing busybodies, people who don’t agree with them at all, exactly the same thing? And who is any Christian to tell any other soul on the planet about the status of his relationship with God? It’s the height of spiritual arrogance, and I’m pretty sure that Jesus was not exactly for that.“You may resent and even be repulsed by the idea that there are specifics and absolutes leveled at the Christ-disciple that have nothing to do with you, but the facts remain.” Why would I? I have no issue in the most general sense with what they believe, but what they do with it if affects me and mine I definitely have an issue with.“You may object to the demands that Christ issues to His follows and even resent Christ Himself”. no, if don’t, with a couple of exceptions. I don’t sharetheir beliefs. And I could no more resent Christ than I do Julius Caesar. My issue isn’t there.“If you do, this is normal.” Good. If the bible is correct, then according to the bible, the bible should be “foolishness” to you as long as you remain outside of Christ.” If the Bible is correct is not an assumption I make. And as far as I can tell, people pick which parts of the Bible they like and which they don’t, liberal and Cconservaitve christian alike, as do JW’s, Mormons, SDA’s, Catholics, and Protestants. Women in the ministry is a perfect example. God,s word never changes, except when it does.“I personally found this to be true.” Good for you. As far as I can tell.“The Methodist church is struggling with the reality that the bible has also become “foolishness” to many of its clan.” I disagree strongly. Many Christians have come to the conclusions they have about birth control, sex education, gay people, social justice, economic justice, charity and just about everything else not despite what their bibles tell them, but BECAUSE. You included. See two paragraphs up. You all of you pick the parts you like. A number of Christian commenters here damn other Christians becuase they don’t agree. (side note. St. Paul says there is no true gospel but his. Mormons say they have the restored gospel, courtesy of joe smith. They have the True Book. Which if you is right, and why aren’t you passing laws against it with the same fervor that so many conservative Christians seem to think are just fine when directed at gay people? This is a perfect example). .If this book is no longer a faithful, unalterable mooring for those in Christ, then Christianity is impotent and no more an influence.” IT NEVER HAS BEEN. Wars were fought over whether god wanted hymns sung in Latin or French. Black people were enslaved with biblical justification, just as they were also freed with it. Gay people have been jailed and murdered because of it. Witches were burned for it for a crime we now know doesn’t exist. How many dozens, hundreds, thousands of Christian denominations are there, any way?“Such a statement should give hope to all who feel that Christ and his followers are bigoted, misogynistic, hateful and the like.” This is not the problem. I don’t feel that about Christ or his followers. I feel that about A CERTAIN SUBSET of the followers of Christ, who in every thought word, and deed, tell the world that they are bigoted, misogynistic, hateful, homophobic, anTI woman, anti anyone else’s religious freedom, and who are willing to tell any lie, no matter how detached from reality, if it gives them what they want, which is DOMINION. my oldest friend in the world is a very conservative Christian who finds the religious Reich repulsive. Though we are atheists, we were married by a minister. I have religious friends everywhere. I have virtually no issues at all with liberal Christians because THEY ARENT BUSY TELLING EVERYONE ELSE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIVES AND TRYING TO USE THE LAW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO. “Get rid of the book and you get more than 48% of future votes” you mean to get rid of the prejudice that has been hiding behind religious belief, stop pretending it’s about god’s word when it clearly isn’t, start extending to us the routine courtesy and respect that you extend with no problem to all of the people who reject the entirety of your religious beliefs,not the itty bitty anti gay part. BECAUSE THAT IS HOW I KNOW ITS ABOUT BIGOTRY AND NOT GOD,S WORD. “–and you “win”. No, WE ALL WIN…WHEN: You start doing what Jesus commanded you– love people, help them, take care of the poor, mind your own business, work for peace— and people like me who are tax paying, law abiding, contributing, productive, and good members of the community don’t have to spend our time, energy and money fighting off people like you. Bill Paca says: So now you are BILL paca. Did BOB die unexpectedly? Is he with Jose and the other Bob and Utah ad David? Are you going to block me now? March 2, 2019 at 5:34 pm Yes, I know that you will NEVER find a verse where GOD says that its wrong — yet you pretend to think that there is one, so *cough it up*, Big Guy! March 1, 2019 at 4:34 pm D.M.S. says: D.M.S. says: In any case, take it. March 1, 2019 at 3:25 pm March 1, 2019 at 5:13 pm
To that end, Michael Marshall, in a piece in New Scientist has synthesized the current thinking regarding a so-called mega-organism that is thought by many scientists to have existed some 2.9 billion years ago (more than a billion years after life is first thought to have appeared on Earth) and which split into three main parts, each of which led to one of the three main types of life now in existence on the planet.Marshall spoke with Gustavo Caetano-Anollés of the University of Illinois, one of the leading authorities on the mega-organism known as LUCA, who suggests the multi-celled organism virtually filled the oceans and lived as sort of a single entity where individual cells traded useful traits back and forth rather than competing with one another. At some point, he says, LUCA split into three separate groups of celled organisms: bacteria, archaea and eukaryotes, the last of which is suspected of giving rise to all the plants and animals alive in the world today.To figure out the composition of LUCA, Caetano-Anollés studied modern proteins – going on the assumption that if one or more could be found that are common to virtually all forms of modern life, the odds would be good that it existed in LUCA as well, seeing as how research has shown that the basic structures of most proteins change little over time even as their genetic structure does. Caetano-Anollés found that five to eleven percent of those he studied appeared to be universal, which he then theorized meant that they were likely present in LUCA as well.Then, because the types of proteins that were found to be universal were the kinds that are able to break down and extract energy from nutrients, Caetano-Anollés suggests that LUCA was able to do so as well, which seems only logical as its doubtful the mega-organism would have been able to exist without such a capability.Marshall then contends that the cells that made up LUCA likely also had cell walls, and backs up his assertion with results found by previous research which has also found that the cells were likely compartmentalized, but lacked DNA; instead noting that it was likely RNA that such cells used to store information that could be passed on to offspring.What’s most notable, however, is the combined work of many researchers that suggests that the cells that made up LUCA shared information rather than competed to thwart one another, in sharp contrast to how so much of the biological world operates today. Explore further Last universal common ancestor more complex than previously thought © 2011 PhysOrg.com Citation: Researchers make the case that modern life sprang from early mega-organism (2011, November 28) retrieved 18 August 2019 from https://phys.org/news/2011-11-case-modern-life-sprang-early.html (PhysOrg.com) — A lot of work has been done over the years to nail down the origins of life, with much speculation given to whatever first bit of “life” appeared from what was before, nothing but non-living material. Unfortunately, evidence of such life has long vanished leaving researchers to try to piece together what might have happened afterwards by rewinding the genetic tape so to speak. This document is subject to copyright. Apart from any fair dealing for the purpose of private study or research, no part may be reproduced without the written permission. The content is provided for information purposes only.
Brian Lynn Hogue went missing while traveling between San José and Guápiles, where he lived, on June 1, 2015. (Courtesy OIJ)UPDATE: 10:15 a.m. Thursday, March 10 Costa Rica Judicial Investigation Police (OIJ) Director Walter Espinoza announced Tuesday that four suspects have been arrested for allegedly killing a California man and defrauding him of several properties. OIJ identified the victim as Brian Lynn Hogue, 64, who had been missing since June 2015.According to Espinoza, the four suspects – two men and two women – learned that Hogue had several properties in Paquera, Puntarenas, listed under an anonymous corporation, known as an S.A. in Costa Rica, and allegedly conspired to commit identity fraud to gain control of the corporation.The suspects are two sisters surnamed Gaitán Ramírez, and two men with the last names Corrales Vargas and López Corrales, according to a statement from the Prosecutor’s Office on Thursday. The four allegedly presented false documents to a notary and tricked the registry into transferring control of the S.A. and its assets to them.“When Brian Lynn [Hogue] became aware of the criminal acts, they decided to kill him” on June 2, 2015, Espinoza said during a Tuesday news conference.The prime suspects in the killing of Hogue are the Gaitán sisters, according to Prosecutor’s Office spokeswoman Tatiana Vargas. A criminal court in Pococí ordered the sisters held in six months preventive detention.Corrales and López allegedly committed the fraud. Corrales may have assisted in the killing, Vargas said, but there is not sufficient evidence at this time to request preventive detention. Both men are not in jail but are required to regularly sign in with authorities and not communicate with the Gaitán sisters.Police carried out five raids across Costa Rica this week in Aguas Zarcas, San Carlos; Coronado, San José; Garabito, Puntarenas; and two near Moín, Limón. None of the four suspects had criminal records, according to the OIJ.Hogue was last seen in San José on June 1, 2015, driving a gold-colored Suzuki Grand Vitara. When he did not arrive home in Guápiles, a neighbor filed a missing-persons report with the OIJ on June 12, according to the OIJ delegation in Pococí.The Tico Times previously reported that Hogue planned to retire in Costa Rica and was involved in reforestation efforts on properties he owned, including a farm in Guápiles where he lived with his wife and one of his children.Hogue is survived by his four children, his wife and his former wife. Facebook Comments Related posts:Love triangle turned deadly in case of slain US-Costa Rica family Costa Rica man arrested with 400 cloned US credit cards US man shot, killed outside Jacó club Costa Rican police arrest U.S. men suspected in $9 million scam
From announcements of key hires to joint ventures and new tech, catch the latest from the mortgage industry in this update.Oklahoma-based Gateway Mortgage Group, LLC, a full-service mortgage company licensed in 40 states and the District of Columbia, announced Gerald Buckley as its new Digital Marketing Executive. In this role, Buckley will be responsible for driving implementation, operationalization and ongoing delivery of Gateway’s digital channel strategy.Gateway’s new digital strategy, set by the executive leadership team, has been designed to provide a fully integrated customer experience. The strategy will ensure consistency across all key digital activities, spanning content management, marketing, messaging, optimization, data and client acquisition, all while lowering the cost of digital client acquisition and providing robust tracking and reporting.“Gerald has a great reputation as an insightful leader in digital marketing. He will push the envelope and drive change—but in a collaborative way that respects the existing Gateway culture,” said Stephen Curry, CEO of Gateway. “He will be a strong asset to Gateway as we continue to grow and expand our businesses, and we look forward to benefiting from his contributions.”____________________________________________________Florida-based Fidelity National Financial (FNF) announced the launch of a comprehensive digital closing experience for consumers closing in its title operations. Developed in partnership with Black Knight, Inc., this new closing experience supports both hybrid and fully digital closing options and is tightly integrated with FNF’s title production systems. Designed to digitally engage homebuyers and sellers in the process well in advance of the closing signature ceremony, the experience brings increased transparency, flexibility, and convenience to the final steps of real estate transactions.“Today’s homebuyers and sellers have come to expect a digital experience that increases the transparency and convenience of the transaction,” said Jason Nadeau, Chief Digital Officer for Fidelity National Financial. “At FNF, we understand this. That’s why we’re committed to creating a totally redesigned real estate experience for the consumer. We’re also making sure our vast network of partners has access to the tools they need to compete effectively in an increasingly digital world.”“We’re honored to have collaborated with FNF in developing a new closing experience,” said Black Knight President Joe Nackashi. “Black Knight is committed to our clients’ success, and we wholeheartedly support FNF’s mission to redefine the experience for the millions of consumers they work with annually.”____________________________________________________OpenClose, a loan origination system (LOS) and mortgage fintech provider, announced that it is has scheduled a May release for the official rollout of its digital mortgage point-of-sale (POS) solution, ConsumerAssist Digital POS.According to OpenClose, “as a single source vendor for digital POS, LOS, PPE and Business Intelligence, OpenClose is able to slash the loan manufacturing cost and complexity by eliminating the need to cobble together disparate systems with different SLAs, contracts and pricing models.””The self-service POS capabilities that ConsumerAssist Digital POS provides are state-of-the-art and feature rich.” Openclose states that enders can now automate and organize numerous tasks that would normally be performed in the back-office via the LOS, and push them closer to borrowers earlier in the origination process.____________________________________________________Lansdale, Pennsylvania-headquartered Global DMS, a provider of cloud-based valuation management software, has rolled out SnapVal, an automated solution that utilizes the property address to return a guaranteed price on any residential appraisal in the U.S.The company said that SnapVal integrates seamlessly with loan origination systems (LOS), digital mortgage point-of-sale (POS) systems, borrower-facing web portals, and propriety lending or servicing platforms. Global DMS provides a configurable RESTful API web service that facilitates swift and cost-effective integrations.Under the TILA-RESPA Integrated Disclosure (TRID) rule, lenders are bound by the fees represented on the Loan Estimate (LE). Unlike static fees, appraisals are a variable cost that lenders constantly struggle to ensure pricing accuracy. If there is any change to the appraisal fee, TRID dictates that a revised LE must be issued to the consumer. This requirement, coupled with strong lender motivation to complete deals and close on time, often results in the lender absorbing appraisal fee discrepancies or scrambling to quickly re-issue the LE. “We identified a need in the marketplace to address a common problem that lenders are regularly challenged with for providing accurate appraisal quotes and then ensuring pricing on the Loan Estimate is consistent and compliant,” said Vladimir Bien-Aime, President and CEO at GlobalDMS. “SnapVal is a piece of technology that lenders currently lack from their digital mortgage strategies. By leveraging SnapVal, they will save time and money, as well as increase their pull-through rates while elevating the borrower experience.” Eye on the Industry: Updates on Gateway, Fidelity National, and More Eye on the Industry Fidelity Gateway Mortgage Group Global DMS OpenClose 2019-04-04 Seth Welborn in Daily Dose, Featured, News, Origination, Technology April 4, 2019 1,109 Views Share
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